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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 22, 2020, 06:40:43 pm --- --- Quote from: imo on March 22, 2020, 06:24:09 pm ---If this happened 40y back you would hardly notice it as a pandemic of this scale. A bit stronger seasonal flu. More fatalities would be "averaged" in the yearly flu statistics.. Italy or Spain 40y back - that would be an epidemic, medialized in "in the West" as "a strong wave of flu hitting Europe", --- End quote --- You have got to be kidding. Are you this blind? Do you have any idea of what is going on in Italy and Spain right now? The hospitals of entire regions are saturated. Doctors and nurses are getting infected and are dying. The army had to carry away the coffins for incineration to take place in other provinces. And you are still talking about a "strong flu"? --- End quote --- Ease up on him, his choice of avatar ought to suggest that he's "got a head full of rocks" and handle "In My Opinion" that he has difficulties with objective facts. We have to be patient with the disadvantaged. :) |
| not1xor1:
here is another case... this time is Italian madness --- Quote ---On February 24, a few days after the beginning of the epidemic, the direction of the "Palazzolo-Don Gnocchi Institute", a piece of history of health and care in Milan, convenes a plenary meeting for workers. Three hundred doctors, nurses and operators massed in a room, some remain outside because they want to understand. They all expect a single message: more than 700 patients are hosted at the "Don Gnocchi", almost all elderly, sick and frail, and therefore the workers imagine that the structure will be "armored" to prevent the coronavirus from entering the wards, because everyone is they realize that if this happened it would be a massacre (the one that took place and Corriere has already told about the rest homes in Mediglia, Affori, or the «Virgilio Ferrari» municipal at Corvetto). Instead, the opposite happens: the management forbids all staff to wear masks, "so as not to create panic and pressure on patients and relatives", with veiled threats of disciplinary appeal for those who will use protections. "It seems incredible - many nurses say today, and their messages are converging - but they have expressly" forbidden "us to protect our patients, and we too". --- End quote --- translated Italian article |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: imo on March 22, 2020, 06:24:09 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on March 22, 2020, 05:49:54 pm --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 22, 2020, 05:06:41 pm ---If anything, this should teach us how fragile our whole society has become. Seeing how one small virus can wreak havoc, imagine anything worse than this (which is not at all unlikely)? --- End quote --- Actually I think society is better equiped than ever. Imagine the Corona outbreak happened 20 years ago with the internet still in it's infancy? It is our modern communication systems which keep things going right now. All the data to stop the outbreak is shared quickly without risk of actually spreading the infection. And the Corona virus isn't the first outbreak ever. --- End quote --- If this happened 40y back you would hardly notice it as a pandemic of this scale. A bit stronger seasonal flu. More fatalities would be "averaged" in the yearly flu statistics.. --- End quote --- And no hospitals being completely overrun with patients as well? :palm: The western world would have been thrown back a lot economically due to having more manufacturing versus office jobs which can be done from home nowadays. |
| iMo:
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 22, 2020, 07:34:04 pm --- --- Quote from: imo on March 22, 2020, 06:24:09 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on March 22, 2020, 05:49:54 pm --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 22, 2020, 05:06:41 pm ---If anything, this should teach us how fragile our whole society has become. Seeing how one small virus can wreak havoc, imagine anything worse than this (which is not at all unlikely)? --- End quote --- Actually I think society is better equiped than ever. Imagine the Corona outbreak happened 20 years ago with the internet still in it's infancy? It is our modern communication systems which keep things going right now. All the data to stop the outbreak is shared quickly without risk of actually spreading the infection. And the Corona virus isn't the first outbreak ever. --- End quote --- If this happened 40y back you would hardly notice it as a pandemic of this scale. A bit stronger seasonal flu. More fatalities would be "averaged" in the yearly flu statistics.. --- End quote --- And no hospitals being completely overrun with patients as well? :palm: The western world would have been thrown back a lot. Also due to having more manufacturing versus office jobs which can be done from home nowadays. --- End quote --- Sure, the hospitals will be massively overrun in 1980. No DNA/RNA technology at that time. No advanced analytical methods and equipment at that time. No pneumonia/flu test at that time. No flu vaccination at that time. No internet at that time. No high-tech ventilators at that time. No CT scans and MRI at that time. No special antibiotics to cope with secondary infections at that time. No quality respirators FFP2-3 grade at that time. Fixed line telephones, sometimes a Fax. No personal computers at that time. Cold War [for GenZ and up - "Cold War" does not mean to "fight against commond cold"].. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: imo on March 22, 2020, 07:44:44 pm ---Sure, the hospitals will be massively overrun in 1980. No DNA/RNA technology at that time. wrong No advanced analytical methods and equipment at that time. wrong first ELISA test 1971, HPLC, MS-GC, PAGE all common laboratory equipment in 1980 No pneumonia/flu test at that time. wrong No flu vaccination at that time. wrong - flu vaccines were available in the 1940s! No internet at that time. right No high-tech ventilators at that time. wrong No CT scans and MRI at that time. wrong - first commercial CAT scanners 1972, first commercial MRI scanner 1980 No special antibiotics to cope with secondary infections at that time. wrong No quality respirators FFP2-3 grade at that time. wrong Fixed line telephones, sometimes a Fax. right No personal computers at that time. wrong Cold War [for GenZ and up - "Cold War" does not mean to "fight against commond cold"].. right --- End quote --- 3 out of 12. You have failed your history of technology exam. |
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