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--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 24, 2020, 09:21:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 24, 2020, 09:16:53 pm ---Risk compensation, yes. However, wearing a mask in the current situation isn't necessarily akin to isolating vs going down the pub. If one has to go shopping then the behaviour will be the same during that trip with or without the mask, wouldn't it?

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If trained medical personnel changes behaviour and somewhat less trained food industry personnel does you can bet your bottom dollar laymen will. It also distracts from the proven important hand hygiene.

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I think that's extrapolating from the wrong situation. A medical person is doing this kind of thing as a job all the time, and the perceived level of risk is quite low to start with so it's easy to be lax. The general public right now, OTOH, are shit-scared and have just had a sci-fi horror dumped on then over a couple of days. Regardless of protection, their perceived level of risk is sky high. A mask will be thought of as a help but not a solution and won't affect the perceived risk much at all, so they're still unlikely to be taking the kind of risk a relaxed professional might do when his mind isn't on the job.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---Happy now?
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Thank you.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 24, 2020, 10:08:07 pm ---Wearing masks seems to work for the Asian countries.

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I'm pretty sure it's not the masks they wear but the medicinal properties of the bats they eat. Speculating is fun!

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 24, 2020, 10:14:28 pm ---I think that's extrapolating from the wrong situation. A medical person is doing this kind of thing as a job all the time, and the perceived level of risk is quite low to start with so it's easy to be lax. The general public right now, OTOH, are shit-scared and have just had a sci-fi horror dumped on then over a couple of days. Regardless of protection, their perceived level of risk is sky high. A mask will be thought of as a help but not a solution and won't affect the perceived risk much at all, so they're still unlikely to be taking the kind of risk a relaxed professional might do when his mind isn't on the job.

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It's no extrapolation. Both health and food professionals have been shown by the CDC to often be more lax when it comes to hygiene with protection than without. They know why hygiene is important and that this behaviour change is a thing but it still happens. It's why protection is discouraged unless there's a verifiable advantage or risk.

Of course, the public at large takes all kinds of risks they don't even know about. That's a real part of the problem. They just do things they think are right but it's a total crapshoot.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 24, 2020, 10:01:50 pm ---There's a study that hints (if I didn't misinterpret what I heard about it), 44% of transmissions happen before patients show symptoms, i.e. before they're coughing and sneezing. Make everybody wear a mask (scarf, buff, whatever)  - 44% of transmissions gone.

Source: my currently favourite podcast:

Sorry, German language. Maybe Youtube adds an automatic translation.
EDIT: IT does, but the translation is completely unusable gibberish.

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You're assuming a lot. What's the advantage when they're not sneezing or coughing? It's much more likely these patients are spreading it via their hands after touching parts of their body. This is why the WHO is emphasizing hand hygiene. It works both ways!

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