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Cerebus:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on March 25, 2020, 01:30:56 pm --- I'm hoping the US follows suit. Then people like me can get off their arses and do something useful.

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Why do you need to wait for the Government? We didn't sit around waiting for the government here, last week some of my neighbours printed out some flyers with contact details asking if people needed help or if there were people who were prepared to offer help and posted them through everybody's letterboxes. One instant, self-organized community support group.

If you want to do something useful, do it now. Check whether you've got some vulnerable neighbours you could shop for. See if your local church/community groups are organising something and volunteer. Or copy my neighbours and start up a neighbourhood community support group if there isn't something already existing that you can join in. Just needs a phone number, email address, a computer printer and some shoe leather.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 25, 2020, 02:39:47 pm ---    In every previous medical situation, the medical professionals have recommended using masks but now that the hospitals are short, suddenly they're telling everyone else NOT to use one and that suddenly they're ineffective.  Seriously?  Or are you just trying to keep all of the masks for yourself and your medical colleagues?

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If, IF, that is true, so what? Who better deserves a supply of protective equipment if it's in short supply? The people on the front line risking their lives to help others or the general public?

Oh, hold on, I see you've already answered that question.


--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 25, 2020, 02:39:47 pm --- I'll be happy for the rest of you not to wear a mask since it will leave more for me but given the choice I will wear one.

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drussell:

--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on March 25, 2020, 03:40:01 pm ---...there are apparently a lot of people who test positive without symptoms.
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Do you have any references for this?  I'm sure some people test positive for SARS-CoV-2 virus exposure before showing any symptoms of the COVID-19 disease (especially with such a long and variable incubation period), whether they later develop symptoms and sickness progression or not, but I have not found any data with real numbers tracking this, how many really remain completely asymptomatic until their body learns to kill it off completely.

Also, while I keep seeing random claims that there are huge swaths of general population that have been exposed and fought it off without even knowing they had it, which would eventually lower the death rate once those asymptomatic cases are eventually discovered and recorded (from post-outbreak antibody screening, etc.) I cannot find any data supporting this claim.  The only data I can point to thus far actually suggests otherwise.

For example, the 320,000 tested in Guangdong was a rather wide sampling of the general population and they did not find a plethora of un-diagnosed cases among the general population once the initial wave was under control, suggesting that the number of true cases has not been underestimated there.

The same thing has essentially been showing up with our testing here in Alberta.  As of Friday we had tested 20360 people, anyone who has shown any possible symptoms or has been exposed to someone known to have the virus has been tested. To Friday, that was one test for every 215 residents. Only 195 cases were found, so less than 1% of those tested have actually been found to be infected.

This mirrors what was found in Guangdong, where it looks like no, it has probably not already spread as widely among the general population totally asymptomatically as some people are thinking. Now, of course, we haven't tested everyone but if we've tested a whole bunch of likely-to-be-infected people and found less than 1%, it doesn't seem to show there already being a huge undetected infected group that will eventually be found to push the death rate down by an order of magnitude.

Only time will tell.  Stay healthy, my friends!

iMo:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 24, 2020, 08:03:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 24, 2020, 07:48:32 pm ---About 20% isn't it? And an similarly small portion of those that will die even after treatment. If it were just those numbers one could be forgiven for considering the risk pretty low.

The trouble with this is that those 20% who would just have a bad time and recover only do so with the help of ICU. Once the hospitals run out of resources those 20% are going to be lucky to live. And they'll be taking non-CV patients with them that would ordinarily have survived whatever they're suffering from but now won't because there is no health service available to treat them.

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As far as I know the percentage is much smaller for people <60 and probably a bit bigger for those over 70. That's of the known cases. It appears the total number is between 0% and 5% but that number is still being assessed.

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NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].

Bud:
Take cues from celebrities.

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