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iMo:

--- Quote from: Deni on March 25, 2020, 06:59:59 pm ---Can somebody comment/explain this?
and especially this:

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I would say he thinks aloud whether the scientific community can, or is willing (because of the panic) to discuss critically (aka critical thinking) how is the contribution of the cases caused by the known "old" corona viruses during the season (as there is a large number of various "corona viruses" existing, they usually mixing with influenza viruses during the season) versus the current contribution of "sars-cov-2 corona virus". You have to be good in german to understand the "nuances" of his loud thinking (not reading the subtitles), while I can I would say he indicates that he thinks the scientists have got a pretty hard time today to discuss that "critically".
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: JPortici on March 25, 2020, 06:10:40 pm ---Officially getting my hopes up
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However i'm not really being sold on the data from other countries (huge slow down in US,UK,Germany and france all at once  :-// )

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one problem is that here in Italy we update the figure once a day while other countries do that more often

to get a better idea you should compare the timelines reported by wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#Timeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Germany#Timeline_by_state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_France#Timeline

and so on

besides that while we were caught completely off-guard, some people in those countries is likely to have started to care even before any measure of the respective governments... we were the canary in the coal mine  :)

people of other countries, if not their governments, has had some more time to get ready for this mess
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Deni on March 25, 2020, 06:59:59 pm ---Can somebody comment/explain this?


and especially this:

http://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

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he makes me fall asleep  ;D
can anybody summarize that ?
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: imo on March 25, 2020, 07:55:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Deni on March 25, 2020, 06:59:59 pm ---Can somebody comment/explain this?
and especially this:

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I would say he thinks aloud whether the scientific community can, or is willing (because of the panic) to discuss critically how is the contribution of the cases caused by the known "old" corona viruses during the season (as there is a large number of various "corona viruses" existing, they usually mixing with influenza viruses during the season) versus the current contribution of "sars-cov-2 corona virus". You have to be good in german to understand the "nuances" of his loud thinking, while I can I would say he indicates that he thinks the scientists have got a pretty hard time today to discuss that "critically".

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there is a limited (not at all large) amount of coronaviruses able to infect humans:
- Human Coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)
- Human Coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)
- Human Coronavirus NL63 (HCoV-NL63)
- Human Coronavirus HKU1 (HCoV-HFU1[3])
- Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
- MERS-CoV (AKA Human Coronavirus Erasmus Medical Center/2012 HCoV-EMC/2012)
- Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2)

the first four have been with us since centuries and just cause flu like symptoms

SARS and MERS are deadly, while SARS-CoV-2 might became as mild as the first four once we get vaccines (and herd immunity)

besides that, yes, COVID-19 tests are new, may be not the same in each country and like most medical tests give a (still unclear) percentage of false positive/negative results

so what does that guy say we do not know yet?
thinkfat:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 25, 2020, 07:41:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 25, 2020, 07:01:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Deni on March 25, 2020, 06:59:59 pm ---Can somebody comment/explain this?

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Yes, easily. He's an idiot.

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And presumably you base that on watching the video? Odd then that you were able to respond at 19:01:56 to a comment posted at 18:59:59 - a whole 2 minutes to watch a 10 minute video and compose a comment about it? Impressive.

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Well, you got me. I admit it: my life doesn't entirely revolve around this forum and this thread in particular. Despite my perceived obsession with this ongoing discussion, I do obtain information from outside of this bubble of opinions.

Let's just say: he's a well known figure claiming that the whole "corona pandemic" is completely blown out of proportion by virologists and politicians. "Nothing to see here, move along!". I didn't even watch the video until just now, I was pretty sure to know what's going to be in it.

I'm not sure if I can sum up his arguments in a few sentences, but as far as I got it:

* The test kits for SARS-CoV-2 are sensitive to many Corona viruses, not just SARS-CoV-2.
* Corona viruses are endemic, you find them everywhere.
* It's impossible to figure out if somebody died from infection with SARS-CoV-2 or from any other cause.
* There is no pandemic, it's just normal flu season and the panic is just due to testing with flawed methods.
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