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Covid 19 virus
Nusa:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 26, 2020, 03:22:33 am ---
--- Quote from: drussell on March 26, 2020, 12:36:21 am ---
I would strongly suspect that they are still limiting the actual testing to those with probable infection like showing symptoms or known exposure, recent travel from hot-zone, etc. since there are still very limited numbers of tests...
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That would be discrimination. The by appt. ones are definitely more exclusive. In fact, I had all the symptoms and couldn't get tested. I think approving places like LabCorp to do testing is going to be a bigger help than having govt control everything.
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Yup, but using that word to describe it doesn't make it illegal. Discrimination is called triage when insufficient resources are being allocated to an emergency situation. Think of this as a preview of what happens when some hospitals are low on ventilators, not just testing ability. The ones getting hospitalization today are lucky in the sense that they're getting proper care before the capacity is exhausted. Some of those needing respiratory care later on are not going to survive a normally survivable situation.
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: Nusa on March 26, 2020, 05:26:58 am ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 26, 2020, 03:22:33 am ---
--- Quote from: drussell on March 26, 2020, 12:36:21 am ---
I would strongly suspect that they are still limiting the actual testing to those with probable infection like showing symptoms or known exposure, recent travel from hot-zone, etc. since there are still very limited numbers of tests...
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That would be discrimination. The by appt. ones are definitely more exclusive. In fact, I had all the symptoms and couldn't get tested. I think approving places like LabCorp to do testing is going to be a bigger help than having govt control everything.
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Yup, but using that word to describe it doesn't make it illegal. Discrimination is called triage when insufficient resources are being allocated to an emergency situation. Think of this as a preview of what happens when some hospitals are low on ventilators, not just testing ability. The ones getting hospitalization today are lucky in the sense that they're getting proper care before the capacity is exhausted. Some of those needing respiratory care later on are not going to survive a normally survivable situation.
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Sorry, it was a joke.
hamster_nz:
Detailed localized modeling for New Zealand has been made available
https://www.tepunahamatatini.ac.nz/2020/03/26/suppression-and-mitigation-strategies-for-control-of-covid-19-in-new-zealand/
Click on the "LINK TO FULL PDF HERE"
EDIT: Summary: From table 2 - 1.25% to 1.67% population fatality rate under all different scenarios, unless a vaccine is available before the suppression measures are removed.
From figure 3 - all six different scenarios result in hospital capacity being greatly exceeded, either during the controls or after they are removed.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 25, 2020, 06:58:18 pm --- So you looked a few fancy terms. It doesn't mean that you have any idea of what you're talking about.
And in case you missed it, after weeks of the WHO, CDC and other "experts"claiming that industrial grade masks weren't effective against the virus, US officials are now suddenly saying that they good enough to be used in hospitals! They claim that the problem was that industrial mask makers don't have the liability insurance to make that claim but now the US has passed a law removing any liability against them. BINGO! Now the US is supplying industrial grade masks to hospitals!
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Some people on here actually do have a clue what they're talking about. Most seem to want to avoid an argument from authority and present worthwhile information instead. Not all opinions are created equal.
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Bud on March 26, 2020, 04:56:57 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on March 25, 2020, 10:17:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: imo on March 25, 2020, 08:58:58 pm ---Media informed about doctors from China, Russia and Cuba who came to help Italy. Is that so? How is their contribution (ie special methods, drugs, equipment)?
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I do not think they know some secret magic recipes but in this difficult situation for Italy any help with resources, human and technical ones, is a big relief. The Russians sent 15 monster cargo planes full of equipment and desinfecting trucks, but it is probably too early to estimate results as that happened just over the last 48 hrs.
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There they are going to Bergamo, lots of trucks.
https://youtu.be/GvOUuhaM4bM
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Unfortunately TANSTAAFL.
I searched the net to get a clearer idea.
There is a lot of pompous coverage from right-far-right newspapers, not so much on (a bit more) independent press (so many FUDsters here I no longer know who I can trust).
Somebody wrote that those supplies from China (including 100 million face masks of various kind) are anyway paid by us. Didn't find any details about those brought by Russian army. Surely we'll have to pay those too, more or less directly, in a way or another.
I trust China more as they do have more real experience and were more sensible in comparison with that sort of Russian army parade.
Helps are appreciated, but let's not forget that they are mostly a form of propaganda aimed both to their own people and to us and unfortunately they are just another proof of the failure of Europe as an Union.
IMHO the pandemic itself, the invasion of aliens species ravaging our crops and woods, the lack of resources of public health systems and so many other current social problems are the natural outcome of an upside-down world where free enterprise comes before the rights and the freedom of the people.
And unfortunately the situation might even become worse than now with more or less manifest dictatorships replacing what is left of democracies.
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