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Covid 19 virus
Simon:
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--- Quote from: paulca on March 25, 2020, 12:51:42 pm ---In the UK the government launched a helpline were people could volunteer to help the NHS take care of the vulnerable in the community.
In a single night, 250,000 people signed up overshooting the target considerably.
This is the spirit we like to see.
Additionally supermarkets are allowing NHS staff in early and greeting them with applause and flowers.
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Really?? That's wonderful.
I dunno, I've grown up with a huge respect for the people in the UK. Y'know, "stiff upper lip" and all. They always seemed to be the "adults in the room" while the rest of the world is flailing around. Not sure how it's been in recent years, but it's good to see that they're yet again a role model.
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Not anymore. We have a dual pandemic, the virus itself and stupidity. The government are pretending that if they tell people what to do they will do it and we are different and don't need any of this lockdown rubbish but reality is plenty of people are not being sensible.
At work the shop floor staff take the piss that us office people get to work from home whilst not all of them are being sensible. When they all get it together and we have to close us office bods that have it easy will be the ones continuing to work from home whilst the nut and bolt assemblers will be at home having it easy.
They created a company wide whtsapp group and in two hours had to close it due to the stupidity going around on it. They were so stupid that it took 1 in 20+ 2 hours to figure out that management were in the group too...... That's your stiff upper lip brits.
iMo:
--- Quote from: dietert1 on March 26, 2020, 08:10:25 am ---Social distancing slows down the virus outbreak, yet it causes lots of other damages. It can only be an emergency measure.
Let's see what happens next in China. I guess people in the west should learn as fast as possible how make and properly use masks. Western media should contribute in that effort. Also western leaders should give a good example and use masks. How can anybody seriously propose to loosen shutdown and not tell people at the same time they will have to wear masks whenever they leave their house. I am not talking about those simple medical masks. Everybody will need a pile of fitted masks so there is a fresh one whenever you need it.
Regards, Dieter
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Waiting for a pile of fitted masks is like waiting for Godot..
PS: China produces around 120mil/day of the simplest "surgical" masks (optimistic estimate, it is 12x than in February)). Let assume they will increase 5x, that is 600mil/day. That is half of Europe's and US' daily consumption. Imagine the logistics as well..
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: JPortici on March 26, 2020, 06:45:40 am ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 25, 2020, 06:34:31 pm ---That said, what looks sort of weird is that the slowdown seems correlated with the date the confinement officially started, whereas due to the incubation time, we would expect a longer latency...
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Well, yes, that's why i waited for some days before starting to get my hopes up.
Also, containment measures in lombardia and veneto (the most afflicted regions at the time) started about 3-7 days before national scale containment was enacted.
I expect there to be a slow down and then another rapid rise, because there was the mass of people from southern italy living in the north that panicked and returned in mass to the south before they could effectively restrict public transport
In the long run the graphs per region will show several bells, with those from the south having the peak at least 30 days after the ones from the north, delaying the end of the emergency.
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The uncontrolled exodus was mostly caused by the usual FUDsters spreading the news of the northern lock-down while it had not yet been decided and so nobody could organize the due controls.
Pls check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#By_regions
I think new cases figures will stay around 100-200/region with daily fluctuations and then get lower in 1-2 weeks.
Apulia seems to be on the right track but it is too early to be sure.
Simon:
Apulia or Puglia as I knew it when I lived there apparently has people being stopped even from town to town to see if their journey is necessary although my friend lies to get through so that he can go and eat at his parents. It's also a very insular and rural area so even with many people going about their daily work providing they do sensible things at shops.
Here I see shops starting to implement distance queuing and limited amounts of people in at one time because us more intelligent stiff upper lip just carry on blitz spirit brits are just too stupid to stay 2m apart and not crowd into shops.
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: paulca on March 26, 2020, 08:07:33 am ---On Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, I assume is this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg#Public_appearance_in_the_2020_COVID-19_crisis
I don't think he is absolutely wrong. I'm not a doctor. I think he has some valid points of false positives and normal "flu season" noise getting picked up in the numbers. Actually worth listening to for a different point of view.
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just have a look at this article to have an idea about how much that a*e is wrong:
The real death toll for Covid-19 is at least 4 times the official numbers
While of course that is just a piece of data, that's true for a small town and we cannot be sure how much that's apply that applies to all the various regions of Italy or to the whole country, yet it gives an idea that only an idiot can think there is an overestimation of deaths.
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