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Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 26, 2020, 10:11:33 am ---The renters who lost their jobs need supporting, not greedy f%#king landlords.
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Or, put in more neutral terms (so even money-oriented politicians understand), landlords are not risking their investment, only a fraction of their return on investment, whereas most of the renters are at risk of homelessness, because they cannot work and get paid, and thus are having difficulty paying their rent.  We take care of the renters, and the landlords get theirs too automatically (and will not lose even that fraction of their returns).
Simon:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 26, 2020, 10:11:33 am ---This virus highlights the wealth gap between the haves and have-nots.

Here is a solution to isolating the homeless in London, Melbourne and many other cities infested with foreign ghost property owners. The government takes over the empty apartments owned by foreigners to be used for the homeless until the virus is no longer a threat. No compensation to the owners. In Melbourne there are around 80,000 permanently empty apartments and houses owned by mostly foreigners, many of whom are just hiding money here.

It was reported in the media the landlords are crying poor and want assistance from the taxpayer if people cannot pay their rents. A handout cash splash for landlords will likely happen because most of the politicians are housing investors, and they always agree unanimously on any legislation that feathers their own nests. The renters who lost their jobs need supporting, not greedy f%#king landlords.

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Indeed in the UK the government has moved to protect big business first. Self employed people still do not know where they stand and the 80% for employees no doubt comes with fine print like the company being ordered to close (I have not read it).

I was not amused at the language I saw in a BBC article. While the government was willing to spend £2.4M daily on purchasing private hospital facilities at the going commercial rate they were willing to requisition hotels. After the stink kicked up by all of us at the private sector profiteering the government have done an "at cost" deal with the private health sector. We still do not know how much that is and I am sure it is bound in confidentiality as the private healthcare companies hardly want to expose how much they are making out of the devastation to the national service which encourages people to pay to see the same doctor privately and get given tea and biscuits too...

The homeless indeed have a problem. But the government have never given a toss about the homeless.
Muttley Snickers:
After spending an entire week at home and away from other people I fucked up today by going to the local post office to pay the phone bill without taking a mask. I expected it would be a quick process and intended to maintain a safe distance but when their computers went offline I suddenly found myself stuck in a close proximity queue for thirty minutes more than I would have liked.

Note to self: Don't count on the competence of others.   ::)       
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on March 26, 2020, 11:06:37 am ---After spending an entire week at home and away from other people I fucked up today by going to the local post office to pay the phone bill without taking a mask. I expected it would be a quick process and intended to maintain a safe distance but when their computers went offline I suddenly found myself stuck in a close proximity queue for thirty minutes more than I would have liked.

Note to self: Don't count on the competence of others.   ::)       

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can't you do that online?
Zero999:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 26, 2020, 09:46:10 am ---In Italy, like in most countries there are more sensible people who abide by the rules (that serve one's own health), and others that, out of utter ignorance and stupidity, just do not care. The proportion of those is likely different in every country, but as soon as some people they know dies, those latter may change their attitude.

I get out as few times as I can (usually once or twice a week) with the only FFP3 mask left from the stock I bought one year ago.
There are not so many people around. But even in the really short time I was out I witnessed various display of pure idiocy like a 40-50 y-old woman who took off her mask to kiss a young man (may be a relative who'd just arrived from north Italy ?) and so on.

The problem is that those idiots may survive and still kill other people who do not deserve that (e.g. health care staff).

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At least in that case, he's statistically speaking got more chance of surviving than her, but he might infect his parents or grandparents who don't stand a chance, especially if he still lives with his family, which I know is often the case, especially in areas where property prices are high.

Clinicians are having to make some difficult decisions. There are plenty of people who they have to leave to die because they stand a lower chance of survival, than relatively young and fit people who have this. If there's only one intensive care bed available, yet two patients who badly need it: someone in their 90s and another in their 40s, doctor will give it to the person in their 40s, who stands a higher chance of survival, dose the older patient heavily with morphine and allow them to die. This will be very difficult for anyone working in a hospital to deal with.
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