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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Kasper on March 26, 2020, 05:14:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 26, 2020, 04:44:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 26, 2020, 04:39:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kasper on March 26, 2020, 03:56:34 pm ---I think my neighbors had a small party yesterday to celebrate.

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Your neighbours were stupid throwing a party. It goes against everyone keeping their distance. If everyone did the same, it would spread much more. Hopefully most people have more sense.

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Hmm, let's see if Kasper can give more info, but don't get all worked up. Said neighbours may have had a small party between themselves without inviting anyone not living in their house. In this case, it's not going to spread anything more.

Zen. ::)

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Hope is good in a time like this, that's why I included 'small' when I described their party.  Just a few visitors was my guess.  I was more focused on them being outside drinking, making noise all day.

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Ouch. If there was any visitor, then it's definitely bad. :--
Was being too optimistic here maybe.


--- Quote from: Kasper on March 26, 2020, 03:56:34 pm ---I think some people have made it their lifetime goal to do as little work as possible and I fear they believe spreading covid will help them accomplish that goal.

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There's a line between people happy to get some help in hard times, and people actively celebrating, or even making worse, a crisis that they think will help them become parasites.
I was again thinking of the former case - I hope I was more right than you are here, otherwise we're in big trouble...

iMo:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 26, 2020, 05:06:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: imo on March 26, 2020, 05:03:14 pm ---G20 countries to inject 5 Trillion USD into the economy..  [CNN]

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Sure. Void money.

Anyway... some people were apparently claiming that Covid-19 crisis would have only a minor impact on economy.
A 5-trillion USD minor impact. That's almost pocket money indeed. :horse:

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5 trillion USD is not a big number world-wide actually (25% US GDP afaik), the problem is those money are from large part not covered by production - they are going to "print out banknotes".

Kasper:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 26, 2020, 05:25:11 pm ---There's a line between people happy to get some help in hard times, and people actively celebrating, or even making worse, a crisis that they think will help them become parasites.
I was again thinking of the former case - I hope I was more right than you are here, otherwise we're in big trouble...

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To be clear, I said I fear it and I don't think many people would do it.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: Deni on March 26, 2020, 05:08:31 pm ---It's "mortality monitor" - organization that collects data about deceased persons for 20+ EU countries once per week and was established for the situation like thise - to detect
abnormal spikes in mortality rate. You can spot sinewave-like curve, where each winter "shakes up" 60+ generation, when the flu season starts. So far, no abnormalities (although data lag 1 week), even
some drop is visible. That's what I would like to understand or to be explained to me. Perhaps Swedes are doing right - running their lives, more or less, as before...?

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1) The week's delay is significant; shit started to really hit the fan in Europe just approximately a week ago. Look back at that monitor site in about two months from now.

2) The strong actions (finally) taken are very likely to help reduce the death toll. This argument is discussed to death, but here it goes: if you don't do anything, a lot of people die. If you do, and manage to prevent a lot of death, then you can't prove anymore that a lot of people would have been dead, so the argument that "everybody freaked out for no reason" will continue to live forever. This is stupid, as there is a lot of actual expert analysis on the severity of the virus - and the fact that practically all governments around the world except Sweden agree with said experts.

It appears, Sweden is currently the only nation in the world running this human experiment, but it is very likely to change, as well, likely in a few days from now. So finally, no one can really say how many would have died if no actions (or very small actions) would have been taken, because finally everyone are taking strong actions, believing they are limiting the death toll - and most likely, they are absolutely correct about it.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 26, 2020, 05:36:46 pm ---(...) because finally everyone are taking strong actions, believing they are limiting the death toll - and most likely, they are absolutely correct about it.

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I don't think anyone can deny the effectiveness of confinement. It sure is a sudden and big disruption in both people's daily life and economy, but since virus spread is through human contact, I can't see how it would be possible that drastically limiting contacts would not drastically limit the spread.

Other actions, such as mass testing (when possible - which is currently not in most of Europe) are more debated, but I do think knowing is always better than not knowing to make the best decisions.

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