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| Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: imo on March 26, 2020, 12:38:34 pm --- --- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on March 26, 2020, 12:13:06 pm --- --- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 26, 2020, 11:46:23 am --- --- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on March 26, 2020, 11:06:37 am ---After spending an entire week at home and away from other people I fucked up today by going to the local post office to pay the phone bill without taking a mask.... --- End quote --- can't you do that online? --- End quote --- Yeah, I probably could have but I was starting to climb the walls and wanted to check out the nearby supermarket as well to see what the stock levels were like. I was also out of fresh fruit and vegetables and had a mad craving for a big salad. ::) --- End quote --- Imagine 9mil New Yorkers will do the same.. :scared: --- End quote --- No, the New Yorkers all all fleeing New York like rats leaving a sinking ship. A week ago there was only about 3 flights per day from New York to Florida but few days ago there were 196 flights. the number of people fleeing New York to go to Florida is increasing even faster than the virus. Do the math, 196 flights per day x an average of 250 passengers per flight. The Florida governor is mad as hell about the number of untested people arriving here and has been trying to get the president to stop the flights but the airlines want the revenue and Trump is going to give them what they want. The airlines are going to ensure that the entire country is thoroughly infected but they'll have their blood money, er, revenue. BTW I just looked at the numbers in the bailout bill that the US Congress just passed. Big Business, mostly the airlines, are getting a $500million bailout but the hospitals are only getting $100million. :-- |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 26, 2020, 05:47:42 pm ---I don't think anyone can deny the effectiveness of confinement. It sure is a sudden and big disruption in both people's daily life and economy, but since virus spread is through human contact, I can't see how it would be possible that drastically limiting contacts would not drastically limit the spread. --- End quote --- For you or me, or 99% of EEVblog forum participants, this is blatantly obvious. In large general public however, there are significant percentages of people who 1) Suffer from a mental block or a psychological condition of not being able to think rationally at all in such case. It's their defence mechanism, 2) Narcissist psychopaths who simply don't give a shit about the others, 3) Simply people who are too stupid to understand, stupid not being used here as a way to belittle, but as an actual description of their cognitive skills required to reach the conclusion you or I reach. A certain amount of such people are going to repeat the mantra about how every government overreacted, no matter how bad the outcome is. The better the outcome is (by strong actions), the larger this group will be, I guess. This limits the government's response: they fear that what if they seem to "overreact", they lose their voter base. They want to actually see with their own eyes that yes, the experts are right. Needless to say, enforcing the actions by the police/military are only needed because of these groups of people. This is why the Finnish strategy, "we only give suggestions and trust people follow them" is a catastrophe. Luckily, it seems this strategy is changing today: for the first time, we will have an actual restriction enforced by the police and military starting from tomorrow (the isolation of the hotspot capital city area). |
| Simon:
If the UK does come out less scythed than other countries it will be parroted as the government did the right thing when in reality we just had the benefit of hindsight from other countries and and even stuffing that up acting a week late were a week ahead but with milder measures. We will see what today's numbers are but with limited testing we don't know the truth but current trends have not been rocketing with rates staying the same for a few days before increasing but the data is poor in my opinion and it's telling that they announce it as late as possible in the day. |
| not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Deni on March 26, 2020, 05:08:31 pm --- --- Quote from: thinkfat on March 25, 2020, 07:01:56 pm ---Yes, easily. He's an idiot. --- End quote --- OK, perhpas he is, perhaps he is not - the same applies to all of us. But there was another link which, unfortunately, is pure data - no opinion. As you obviously missed it, here it is again: http://www.euromomo.eu/index.html It's "mortality monitor" - organization that collects data about deceased persons for 20+ EU countries once per week and was established for the situation like thise - to detect abnormal spikes in mortality rate. You can spot sinewave-like curve, where each winter "shakes up" 60+ generation, when the flu season starts. So far, no abnormalities (although data lag 1 week), even some drop is visible. That's what I would like to understand or to be explained to me. Perhaps Swedes are doing right - running their lives, more or less, as before...? --- End quote --- life expectancy usually constantly increases a bit, but: --- Quote ---Pooled estimates of all-cause mortality show, overall, normal expected levels in the participating countries; however, increased excess mortality is notable in Italy. --- End quote --- both data and other countries still lag behind you have not realized yet that we are just still at the BEGINNING !!! Italy luckily is on the right trend, but it will take yet a few more weeks to achieve a significant reduction both of new cases and deaths. Other countries are still climbing uphill at a fast pace. Tomorrow US will become the first country in the world for cases figure (later for deaths). During next week unfortunately other countries will get above Italy in this macabre rank. Nothing to be happy about :'( |
| iMo:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 26, 2020, 05:47:43 pm ---.. No, the New Yorkers all all fleeing New York like rats leaving a sinking ship. --- End quote --- White House calls for everybody leaving NY should go into 14 days quarantine, afaik.. :) |
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