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iMo:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 26, 2020, 09:10:08 pm ---Probably a lot. That's the point, this is REALLY bad for people with other issues.

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Here is the latest report on Italy Death Cases as of March 24th.
The pre-existing conditions statistics is that "Patologie" and "Numero di patologie".
No need to translate, imho.
engrguy42:
My latest summary of the WHO March 26 report, hot off the presses. This is for the 8 countries with the most confirmed cases. I also included some info I didn't have before.

Attached chart of deaths to date and new deaths for the US shows deaths to date (884) in yellow, and new deaths each day in dark blue.

- US remains #3 in total confirmed cases to date.

- US remains #6 in total confirmed cases as a % of population.

- US moved up one spot in number of total deaths to date as a % of population (from #8 to #7)

- For the last 4 days US has had a flat rate of approx. 200 new deaths total per day, except for the 24th when it had only 69 (about the same as the 19th thru the 22nd when it was flat with around 40-50 each day).

 
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Deni on March 26, 2020, 09:15:32 pm ---But the patient HAD NO SYMPTOMS, was just infected (as many of us most likely are, since various flu viruses are all around us) and died from cancer !
3 months ago nobody would count it as a COVID case. Bad data are worse that no data...

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So WHAT does their actual death certificate actually say? Or is this just some third hand news story.

I've seen quite a few death certificates in my time and if someone has some known terminal condition that is always recorded, even when the proximal cause of death was something secondary. e.g something like "Pneumonia as a complication of stage 4 lung cancer".
thinkfat:

--- Quote from: Deni on March 26, 2020, 05:08:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 25, 2020, 07:01:56 pm ---Yes, easily. He's an idiot.

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OK, perhpas he is, perhaps he is not - the same applies to all of us. But there was another link which, unfortunately, is pure data - no opinion. As you obviously missed it, here it is again:

http://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

It's "mortality monitor" - organization that collects data about deceased persons for 20+ EU countries once per week and was established for the situation like thise - to detect
abnormal spikes in mortality rate. You can spot sinewave-like curve, where each winter "shakes up" 60+ generation, when the flu season starts. So far, no abnormalities (although data lag 1 week), even
some drop is visible. That's what I would like to understand or to be explained to me. Perhaps Swedes are doing right - running their lives, more or less, as before...?

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There will be a statistically visible increase of the mortality soon e.g. in Italy and Spain and Dr. Wodargs house of cards will collapse.
Sredni:
Coronavirus: Why some countries wear face masks and others don't
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

Emphasis mine


--- Quote ---Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and there are several reasons for that.
One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.
Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security.
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--- Quote ---Some argue that ubiquitous mask wearing, as a very visual reminder of the dangers of the virus, could actually act as a "behavioural nudge" to you and others for overall better personal hygiene.
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--- Quote ---Then, there's the idea that every little bit counts in the war the world is waging against the virus.
"We can't say if face masks are ineffective, but we presume they have some effect because that's the protection we give to healthcare workers," said Benjamin Cowling, an epidemiologist with Hong Kong University.
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--- Quote ---In countries where mask wearing is not the norm, such as the West, those who do wear masks have been shunned or even attacked. It hasn't helped that many of these mask wearers are Asians.
But those societies that do advocate everyone wearing a mask may have a point and increasingly, experts are now questioning the official WHO advice.
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I am a powerful wizard and looking into my cystal ball I can foresee that the number of expert advocating using a mask to the general public will rise logarithmically with the number of masks produced.

Meanwhile, the US is now number one in number of infected - "America first!" remember?
And thanks to governors such as that of Mississippi is trying to do its best to ramp up in the number of deaths, as well:
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