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maginnovision:

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--- Quote from: paulca on March 27, 2020, 08:02:06 am ---People who get this virus deliberately should be charged with terrorism, attempted mass murder and buried or burnt alive!

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Why?

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As long as they don't infect anyone else, I don't see the problem.

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Clearly you don't.  Go snort a few door handles and in a week or so, send us a few IMs from the queue for an ICU bed if you end up needing one.  When you get that bed, make sure and ask how many people died in the queue outside while you had it.

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Probably fewer than if it happened anyway in a couple weeks. For me I could stay inside forever with my kids. However my wife can't, she's got to go back to work. Since I'm in the high risk of severe outcomes I may be one of the people who dies when there aren't enough beds. I'm sure you don't care but my wife and kids would. The only good thing is they're young enough they'd forget about me in a few years.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 27, 2020, 07:30:57 am ---
--- Quote ---I really don't see anything in those comments that justifies you ...
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Whereas I did quite easily.

Perhaps the better way to comment would have been to ask which bit he took exception to rather than just saying he's wrong and compounding the issue? :)

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In this case it's not the individual facts so there's nothing to pick out; it's the tone of the whole thing. We need more light and less heat, by all means challenge people's facts or reasoning but general swipes at people because you don't like them, or what they have to say, aren't helpful. This fellow's attitude has been one ranging from passive aggressive to taking veiled swipes at anybody who might have brought any intelligence, informed background or actual domain expertise to the discussion. You've just managed to challenge one of my comments politely and without any personal attacks, I'm just asking that he does the same.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: paulca on March 27, 2020, 08:02:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 27, 2020, 02:49:21 am ---  I'm considered high risk too but I still like my chances are better now than they will be in a couple of weeks.

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People who get this virus deliberately should be charged with terrorism, attempted mass murder and buried or burnt alive!

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What should be the penalty for advocating torture to death which is essentially what you're doing?

I can quite understand the attitude of someone who thinks that their personal risk profile for this disease is low and wants to get it over with. Sitting around waiting for this is like seeing the Sword of Damocles  dangling over your head or waiting in the dentist's chair for the bastard to get on with it and actually pull that tooth. I'm in a high risk group, I'm 60 and I have asthma - this disease is literately an existential threat to me - but even I can feel some of that desire to "have it done and over with". Just because someone expresses that does not mean that they have a longing to catch it and become a Typhoid Mary spreading it about left right and centre or behave in any other way irresponsibly. Someone expressing their thoughts and fears is not an acceptable reason for advocating burning people to death.

Perhaps we should ship a small field hospital and some instant barracks to Gruinard Island and let folks like Maginnovision and Stray Electron go to the 'leper colony' thus created to deliberately catch it, on the understanding that, once recovered, they have to come back and volunteer for the jobs that need doing by people with immunity for a set period of time as payment for the dubious privilege of being allowed to deliberately catch it while offering safety to others from their infected selves.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 03:43:25 pm ---[...]  This fellow's attitude has been one ranging from passive aggressive to taking veiled swipes at anybody who might have brought any intelligence, informed background or actual domain expertise to the discussion.  [...]

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Welcome to the Internet!    ;)
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: paulca on March 27, 2020, 09:22:09 am ---Fair enough, i didn't start watching the news about this until about a week ago.

I thought the hurd immunity thing was debunked as only a fleating suggestion, but reviewing the news from that time it seems he was actually serious until people pointed out just how many critical patients there would be.

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Herd immunity, not hurd immunity. It's a real thing, a recognised epidemiological phenomenon and ultimately it will be the thing that defeats this epidemic, whether it's herd immunity induced by vaccination or herd immunity induced by the natural course of the disease without vaccination. The problem with the latter is that it will leave a lot of bodies in its wake, the former hopefully not.

It's worth noting that all the delay in creating a vaccine is not the basic 'make a vaccine' bit - candidate vaccines exist now, it's all the testing to ensure that the vaccine isn't as dangerous as the disease. Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.
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