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Cerebus:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 27, 2020, 04:11:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 03:43:25 pm ---[...]  This fellow's attitude has been one ranging from passive aggressive to taking veiled swipes at anybody who might have brought any intelligence, informed background or actual domain expertise to the discussion.  [...]

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Welcome to the Internet!    ;)

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Back in the day, when I was setting up one of the UK's first ISPs, it attracted a slightly better calibre of interlocutor, where reasoned argument rather than the loudest and most obnoxious voice held sway. Well, some of the time. Now, where was I? Oh yes. What are you doing on my lawn young man!?!  :)

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:31:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 27, 2020, 04:11:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 03:43:25 pm ---[...]  This fellow's attitude has been one ranging from passive aggressive to taking veiled swipes at anybody who might have brought any intelligence, informed background or actual domain expertise to the discussion.  [...]

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Welcome to the Internet!    ;)

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Back in the day, when I was setting up one of the UK's first ISPs, it attracted a slightly better calibre of interlocutor, where reasoned argument rather than the loudest and most obnoxious voice held sway. Well, some of the time. Now, where was I? Oh yes. What are you doing on my lawn young man!?!  :)

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Which ISP was that?

Nowadays, any forum without moderation will be overrun by pests...    the best moderators help evolve pests to useful contributors.  We have to allow people to be young and stupid, like we were!  :D

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:20:50 pm ---Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.

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One such example is the swine flu vaccine, which caused some very strange, AFAIK still non-identified interaction with the Finnish gene pool, causing quite a few of severe cases of life-long narcolepsy on children and the young here, but almost nowhere else in the world. These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

Of course, such cases are extremely rare, and that's the price we need to pay to have vaccinations at all; the average risk is almost zero due to all the testing, as you say.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 27, 2020, 04:35:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:20:50 pm ---Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.

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One such example is the swine flu vaccine, which caused some very strange, AFAIK still non-identified interaction with the Finnish gene pool, causing quite a few of severe cases of life-long narcolepsy on children and the young here, but almost nowhere else in the world. These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

Of course, such cases are extremely rare, and that's the price we need to pay to have vaccinations at all; the average risk is almost zero due to all the testing, as you say.

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Yes - except for the seasonal flu vaccines, that get modified and released with ultra short cycles. We can say they are mainly variants of well known vaccines, but still.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 27, 2020, 04:35:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:20:50 pm ---Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.

--- End quote ---

One such example is the swine flu vaccine, which caused some very strange, AFAIK still non-identified interaction with the Finnish gene pool, causing quite a few of severe cases of life-long narcolepsy on children and the young here, but almost nowhere else in the world. These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

Of course, such cases are extremely rare, and that's the price we need to pay to have vaccinations at all; the average risk is almost zero due to all the testing, as you say.

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Do you have any data/facts to support that? It sounds implausible, like the supposed link between autism and MMR vaccine, which was proven to be BS and cost lives.

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