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SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 27, 2020, 04:41:58 pm ---
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--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:20:50 pm ---Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.

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One such example is the swine flu vaccine, which caused some very strange, AFAIK still non-identified interaction with the Finnish gene pool, causing quite a few of severe cases of life-long narcolepsy on children and the young here, but almost nowhere else in the world. These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

Of course, such cases are extremely rare, and that's the price we need to pay to have vaccinations at all; the average risk is almost zero due to all the testing, as you say.

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Yes - except for the seasonal flu vaccines, that get modified and released with ultra short cycles. We can say they are mainly variants of well known vaccines, but still.

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That kind of approach may end up being the best bet against Covid-19 and its future mutations...

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:08:15 pm ---What should be the penalty for advocating torture to death which is essentially what you're doing?

I can quite understand the attitude of someone who thinks that their personal risk profile for this disease is low and wants to get it over with. Sitting around waiting for this is like seeing the Sword of Damocles  dangling over your head or waiting in the dentist's chair for the bastard to get on with it and actually pull that tooth. I'm in a high risk group, I'm 60 and I have asthma - this disease is literately an existential threat to me - but even I can feel some of that desire to "have it done and over with". Just because someone expresses that does not mean that they have a longing to catch it and become a Typhoid Mary spreading it about left right and centre or behave in any other way irresponsibly. Someone expressing their thoughts and fears is not an acceptable reason for advocating burning people to death.

Perhaps we should ship a small field hospital and some instant barracks to Gruinard Island and let folks like Maginnovision and Stray Electron go to the 'leper colony' thus created to deliberately catch it, on the understanding that, once recovered, they have to come back and volunteer for the jobs that need doing by people with immunity for a set period of time as payment for the dubious privilege of being allowed to deliberately catch it while offering safety to others from their infected selves.

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There shouldn't be conditions involved, except perhaps one. This whole thing is about getting it over with without overwhelming heath care. As long as there is room to spare going early may be as effective as going later but with the added benefit of being able to time your infection. You're not only flattening the curve but also load balancing to where we now we can handle it. I'm not as much advocating the idea as saying it may have its merits. Branding people as terrorists and threatening them with a tortuous death is obviously a ridiculous hyperbole fanned by mindless fear. Not everyone seems to cope equally well to being endlessly bombarded with news from every corner.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 27, 2020, 04:33:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:31:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 27, 2020, 04:11:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 03:43:25 pm ---[...]  This fellow's attitude has been one ranging from passive aggressive to taking veiled swipes at anybody who might have brought any intelligence, informed background or actual domain expertise to the discussion.  [...]

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Welcome to the Internet!    ;)

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Back in the day, when I was setting up one of the UK's first ISPs, it attracted a slightly better calibre of interlocutor, where reasoned argument rather than the loudest and most obnoxious voice held sway. Well, some of the time. Now, where was I? Oh yes. What are you doing on my lawn young man!?!  :)

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Which ISP was that?

Nowadays, any forum without moderation will be overrun by pests...    the best moderators help evolve pests to useful contributors.  We have to allow people to be young and stupid, like we were!  :D

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Zoo Internet, now long forgotten, around No. 10 to get started going by LINX membership.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 27, 2020, 04:35:51 pm ---These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

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Sad. That's why the UK and US (and doubtless others) have statutory compensation schemes, to encourage vaccination that protects us all with the knowledge that the very rare cases that harm a few will be taken care of by all of us. (In theory. In practice, like with all things governmental, penny pinching is done and the compensation is never as generous as it ought to be, and it can take a bit of quibbling before people who deserve it get it. But that's governments for you, and it least it does exist and gets paid.)

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 27, 2020, 04:44:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 27, 2020, 04:35:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 27, 2020, 04:20:50 pm ---Don't forget that vaccination is only safe because we do a lot of safety testing nowadays and that, even with that, otherwise safe vaccinations do in very rare cases cause more harm than good.

--- End quote ---

One such example is the swine flu vaccine, which caused some very strange, AFAIK still non-identified interaction with the Finnish gene pool, causing quite a few of severe cases of life-long narcolepsy on children and the young here, but almost nowhere else in the world. These people are still without compensation and little social security. The sad thing is, most of them were not in the risk group for the swine flu, so the vaccination, in this case, did more harm than good.

Of course, such cases are extremely rare, and that's the price we need to pay to have vaccinations at all; the average risk is almost zero due to all the testing, as you say.

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Do you have any data/facts to support that? It sounds implausible, like the supposed link between autism and MMR vaccine, which was proven to be BS and cost lives.

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Why should it be implausible? All things involve risk, like going for a walk.  Injecting attenuated/modified pathogens or parts of them into the human bloodstream doesn't exactly sound like the least risky thing one might do. Start at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_adverse_event if you need convincing that vaccine related damage isn't "implausible".

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