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Mortymore:

--- Quote from: Wimberleytech on March 28, 2020, 07:09:03 pm ---...
So what is the view on why Italy has been hit so hard?

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Covid-19 spreads fast between humans with social contact or proximity, and affects most severely the older ones. Besides the aged population, we latins have strong family bonds, and are very relaxed in life, thinking that bad thing only hits others. And this conditions summed, lead to disaster.
In Portugal, seems so far, that we learned something from the misfortune that occurs in Italy and Spain.
My heart is with them  :'(

EDIT: We have a social health care service that serves everyone, so there's hardly any death from Covid-19 without being acknowledge as that. Countries were that's not the case, some may die without being reported, treated or tested.

Dundarave:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 28, 2020, 06:48:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: engrguy42 on March 28, 2020, 06:06:55 pm ---The sole purpose of this is for me personally to get a ballpark idea of what seems reasonable to expect. For me. Personally.

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If it's purely for personal consumption, as you stress so heavily, why are you bothering other people with it? Is this a version of "stop hitting my hand with your face?

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I think that it's becoming an overwhelmingly stressful time for many people, and a lot of people are doing whatever they can to cope mentally and physically with the uncertainty.  I'm seeing this everywhere these days, in all sorts of people, situations and venues, and one never knows the load that others are carrying in terms of worry about themselves, their family, and their ongoing existence.

I'd like to suggest, for the duration of this pandemic at least, that we all consider people's actions/comments/opinions through that lens, and cut everyone some slack.

not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Wimberleytech on March 28, 2020, 07:09:03 pm ---Interesting.  Did not know what a pangolin was until I looked it up.  Ironic that it is use for traditional Chinese medicine.
So what is the view on why Italy has been hit so hard?

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Pangolins looks almost like armadillos, but are completely unrelated.

Italy has been hit so hard because the contagion had spread without anybody had noticed.

The central government suspended all flights with China since the 31st of January when 2 Chinese nationals were found positive and promptly hospitalized. But those sensible guys had self-quarantined and had not spread the contagion to anybody. Apart them and another Italian repatriated from China there was no other known case (those first 3 cases fully recovered and didn't spread the contagion to anybody else) up to the 20th of February.

You can find a recap here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#Lombardy_cluster

The main problem is that there had been no contact between that first spotted case and anybody coming from China. A German study proposed that the contagion had gone from Germany to Italy (one of the most densely populated parts of Italy).
Nobody expected that and the virus was able to get a foothold in various hospitals and nursing home while those first deaths of old and sick people had been considered just ordinary flu deaths.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---So what is the view on why Italy has been hit so hard?
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Footy match and not realising the threat when presented with it:


--- Quote ---On March 7, her father, Claudio Travelli, 60, was driving a food delivery truck all around northern Italy. The next day, he developed a fever and flu-like symptoms. His wife had run a fever in recent days, and so he called his family doctor, who told him to take a common Italian fever reducer and rest up.

For much of the prior month, Italian officials had sent mixed messages about the virus.

On Feb. 19, some 40,000 people from Bergamo, a province of about a million people in the region of Lombardy, traveled 30 miles to Milan to watch a Champions League soccer game between Atalanta and the Spanish team Valencia. (The mayor of Bergamo, Giorgio Gori, this week called the match “a strong accelerator of contagion.”) Mr. Travelli and his wife didn’t take the threat of the virus seriously back then, their daughter said, “because it wasn’t sold as a grave thing.”
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Taken from a very sobering picture piece in the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/27/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-bergamo.html

nctnico:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 28, 2020, 08:26:00 pm ---https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/27/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-bergamo.html

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