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Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: nctnico on March 29, 2020, 12:19:10 am ---If someone is idiotic enough to spit or cough on someone the person likely doesn't have much of a life to begin with. One of the people they sentenced to do jail time in the NL was a homeless person (he didn't die but is no longer homeless). Let's not forget that Covid19 is a potentially deadly decease; not something to make fun of. Especially when it involves public servants doing their best to keep the country clean and safe.

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Running a red light poses a much more real danger and we don't lock people up for a year for that either. I'm not even suggesting to not do anything about such behaviour and understand that examples have to be made, it's just that we shouldn't go overboard. People are scared and emotional but that doesn't mean we should lose all common sense and proportion.
hendorog:

--- Quote from: Sredni on March 28, 2020, 05:37:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: hendorog on March 28, 2020, 06:10:08 am ---I think you are dead right  (!)

Confirmed cases is a poor metric for comparison, as it depends on testing capacity - and contact tracing capacity to find cases to test based on known cases.
And there are many people who don't have symptoms - combined with people how have minor symptoms -so there could be big hidden clusters of people who are not tested.

Deaths are easier to count, but of course are delayed too much to be useful, impacted by the demographic and existing health conditions,, and impacted by the capacity of the medical system to treat people (ICU beds etc)

Comparing countries is not easy. Germany is clearly a big outlier. Perhaps they are awesome at testing and contact tracing. And so they have detected many more people with minor infections than other countries.

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Personally, the metric I would use is the total number of deaths - for any cause. Compare with the same period of the previous years and, unless there is some other killer disease going on - it will give you a measure of how lethal this Covid-19 is.

Another metric is the saturation of hospitals and ICUs.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but here is a tool I found which models the capacity and saturation of the health system:
https://neherlab.org/covid19/
Muttley Snickers:

--- Quote from: tautech on March 29, 2020, 12:22:14 am ---News from Royal Brisbane Hospital on preventing and diagnosing infection.... This is advice given to hospital staff.... This advice explains how to prevent the virus.... So please share with family, friends and your work colleagues.

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This is exactly the type of information I was after, many thanks.   :) 

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: tautech on March 29, 2020, 12:22:14 am ---In my inbox from a mate:

News from Royal Brisbane Hospital on preventing and diagnosing infection

All,

This is advice given to hospital staff.

This is an internal email for RBH staff: Virus detection COVID-19.

This advice explains how to prevent the virus. So please share with family, friends and your work colleagues

The COVID-19 infection does cause a dry and rough cough. The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. These symptoms can last between 3 and 4 days.

The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 – 6 days. Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. There may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning:
Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection.
It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 27 degrees C.
Therefore, hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest. Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes. No ice with the rum lol
Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes.
WHY?
Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.

The sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D and zinc are good for you.

The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter 400-500 nanometres) so facemasks are needed in daily life. If an infected person sneezes near you, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.

When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel. The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it.
Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the SUN and the virus will die.

The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present. Washing your hands is essential. The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them. You can gargle with disinfectant solutions ie Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide, that eliminates or minimises the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lung
Disinfect things touched often: cell phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc.

Stay safe guys.

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When supposed hospital staff talks about a virus living one can't help to be very skeptical. How do we know this isn't one of the thousands of seemingly official chain mails being sent around?
PlainName:

--- Quote ---In my inbox from a mate:
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Ah, a reliable source then.


--- Quote ---News from Royal Brisbane Hospital on preventing and diagnosing infection

All,

This is advice given to hospital staff.

This is an internal email for RBH staff: Virus detection COVID-19.
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Allegedly. According to your mate.


--- Quote ---Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes.
WHY?
Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
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Oh dear. My missus tried that one on me the other day, and she didn't get it from Brisbane.

The BBC thinks not.


--- Quote ---The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 27 degrees C.
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No kidding? So the quick way to shaft it is to breath it in and hit it with your 36+C core temperature, right? Somehow, I think not :)
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