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Muttley Snickers:
Your phone can now get the coronavirus as well.   ::)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/federal-government-launches-coronavirus-australia-app/12100680

edy:
Some of the most successful coronavirus containment results are in countries using "authoritarian" technologies and strategies to track people. From immediate drastic quarantines to cellphone GPS tracking to contact-tracing and massive mandatory testing. Obviously these strategies work but can be unnerving to citizens of countries that do not have experience with this level of control and a concern to all who value freedoms and privacy. Unfortunately we are balancing along a fine line here and this can set a dangerous precedent to future policies, laws and rights of citizens.

Of course we must be smart about protecting others in our community and if people all did their civic responsibilities for 2-3 weeks the virus would fizzle out.... but meanwhile because they are not, and because we are not seeing as intensive targeting of individuals and contact-tracking in certain countries, they have instead adopted "collective punishment" measurements. That, plus the fact that bordered remained open and they were slow to curtail freedoms... obviously a difficult measure to impose in a society that values freedom. Sure an authoritarian country can stop the virus faster but many open countries (like Germanyand South Korea ffor example) seem to be managing to keep number of deaths low by aggressive targeting and containment for the good of the entire population.

vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 29, 2020, 01:26:54 am ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 29, 2020, 12:37:09 am ---When supposed hospital staff talks about a virus living one can't help to be very skeptical. How do we know this isn't one of the thousands of seemingly official chain mails being sent around?

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We can quibble about whether is virus is 'alive' or not, but in material intended for general consumption I don't have a problem with people using the terminology and would have a problem if people used convoluted language to get around calling a virus 'live' rather than aiming for comprehension by all and sundry.

Where I get a bit antsy about this is:


--- Quote ---The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 27 degrees C.

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Really? So what's all the fuss about then? I doubt any bit of my body worth infecting is below 27C - how then does it survive in humans? According to my IR thermometer I don't have a single bit of exposed skin below 30ºC - I ought to be able to kill it by touching it (which we know is rubbish). When I see rubbish like that either somebody has been criminally careless and transposed 27ºC with 72ºC or alternatively it casts the whole 'official' origin into doubt.

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--- Quote ---The sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D and zinc are good for you.

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Waaay too folksy for a considered bit of writing by a medic. And "and the vitamin D and zinc are good for you"? Both ungrammatical and a change of subject to "good for you" in the same sentence about killing the virus. Smacks of 'secretary' level education. A medic would only advocate vitamin D and zinc supplementation in cases of likely deficiency (the former unlikely in summer).

There's other stuff in there that sounds like folk advice rather than medical advice mixed up with sound medical advice of the kind that you could just pick up by listening. I suspect a round robin email from someone in the hospital rather than official hospital guidance for staff. If its bona fides prove true, that would be worrying.

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I've seen an earlier version, purporting to be from the UK, that urges people to "sunbake".
Whoever edited this one knew that advice wouldn't "fly" in Oz.
"How good is Melanoma?"

I've seen a lot of edited political things, over the years, which, transplanted from their home country to this one, don't make sense, & unless you are particularly thick, can be laughed off.

These "coronavirus" ones are just plain sick!

not1xor1:

--- Quote from: blueskull on March 29, 2020, 02:55:38 am ---If everyone stays away from the crowds for two weeks, there would not be a need to vaccines and monthly long economy pauses.

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unfortunately the needed time depends on the percentage of quarantine conforming people that in the western countries is not enough and varying wildly among the various countries and within a given country itself.

besides that 2 weeks are not enough if the virus has already got a foothold and when health service staff, law enforcement staff and other essential service provider often have no individual protection devices

anyway we can always hope for some magic cure devised by Gwyneth Palthrow  ;D

not1xor1:

--- Quote from: blueskull on March 29, 2020, 03:11:33 am ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 29, 2020, 03:03:25 am ---I'm not scared, just concerned. I'm a mid thirties male on oxycodone for a current lung issue and I have severe asthma. If I caught it I very well may not make it.

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Sorry to hear about that. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not being specific to anyone. Just don't understand why many otherwise perfectly healthy people being so concerned.

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besides the fact that even young and healthy people have died (18, 21, 26 years old) or are severely ill, several people here have health problems (they can usually manage without too much trouble) and/or are no longer so young and/or have to take care for their parents or relatives who might even be at a higher risk

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