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dietert1:
We can see in our neighborhood that human civilization has turned into something very fragile. Many people are following some strange fantasies and feelings instead of using their brains. I'd guess on the long run about 30 % of the population would rather commit suicide instead of adapting to the new situation. My wife even proposed calling police because of obvious violations of social isolation rules.
Unless those people stop, we will be completely broke before resolving anything. I am waiting for the German government to tell everybody that the shutdown will last until the day when nobody gets tested positive. Or a week after that to be sure. Right now the number of new positives is decreasing, yet still several thousand per day. A clear indication of strong virus activity.

Regards, Dieter

vodka:

--- Quote from: dietert1 on March 31, 2020, 03:15:08 pm ---We can see in our neighborhood that human civilization has turned into something very fragile. Many people are following some strange fantasies and feelings instead of using their brains. I'd guess on the long run about 30 % of the population would rather commit suicide instead of adapting to the new situation.

Regards, Dieter

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What morale so low, you only bring a week on "isolation".

PlainName:

--- Quote ---Personally, the phrase "a mask doesn't help"
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If you read back you'll see that I am a 'mask is better than nowt' person, but I have to take task with you on the grounds that your quote isn't what the other side's argument is. What they are (or were) suggesting is that a mask can make matters worse. Sure, it might work a bit, but in doing so it increases the risk of infection (via your fiddling with it) so overall it is better not to have one.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: peter-h on March 31, 2020, 07:49:59 am ---This contains some recent data on how people with different health conditions (comorbidities) do with the virus once in hospital in the UK:

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/b5f59585-5870-ea11-9124-00505601089b

So, yes, as suggested earlier, being fat is really bad. But that's obvious generally.

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It doesn't say that. You're just jumping on one number in isolation, that may have no linkage to mortality, without taking in the whole picture. Being old has a much bigger effect in that table, being male versus female has a similar effect to having a BMI > 30 versus BMI < 30 - it doesn't say who is young and fat, old and fat, male and skinny etc. You didn't come to the conclusion "being male is really bad", but it has has much (or as little) evidential support present in that paper.

For those that case about these things: n=86 for age, 86 for gender, 79 for BMI, 82 for needs support with daily living needs, 83 for severe co-morbidities, and 82 for whether advanced respiratory support was provided. (i.e. it's obvious that the base data set is (1) small, (2) a total mess or n would be the same for all tabulated outcomes). It's also heavily qualified in other ways, i.e. an admittedly biased sample.

TerminalJack505:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 31, 2020, 03:40:29 pm ---If you read back you'll see that I am a 'mask is better than nowt' person, but I have to take task with you on the grounds that your quote isn't what the other side's argument is. What they are (or were) suggesting is that a mask can make matters worse. Sure, it might work a bit, but in doing so it increases the risk of infection (via your fiddling with it) so overall it is better not to have one.
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My main point is that the 'experts' are now moving the goalposts so just "hide and watch" (as the saying goes) as their arguments will change regarding the use of face masks.

The problem is that they will now need to explain why they lied to the public to begin with.  (Let's face it, they knew better all along.)  They sacrificed their credibility because of it.

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