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nctnico:

--- Quote from: Bud on March 31, 2020, 08:22:20 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 30, 2020, 10:40:31 pm ---Meanwhile it seems there is a propaganda war going on in Italy between Cuba, China, Russia and the US about who can deliver the most support.  :palm:
Ofcourse there is a lot of chest beating going on while in reality France has delivered more face masks to Italy compared to Cuba, China and Russia.

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You are comparing apples to oranges. Cuba sent doctors, Russia sent doctors and disinfecting equipment and personnel. Any boots on the ground from France?

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I wrote 'face masks'!  :palm:
And what are a couple of dozen doctors and nurses going to accomplish compared to the hundreds of thousands of Italian health care workers and military personel anyway? Less than a drop in a bucket. It is pure propaganda to push a wedge into the EU.


--- Quote from: 2N3055 on March 31, 2020, 09:13:25 am ---BMI is the most stupid number ever invented. It presumes very low muscle and bone mass i.e. it presumes that most of the body weight comes from body fat..

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But it doesn't mean it is meaningless. It is a good measure for the average person. There are other methods too with their pros and cons. AFAIK the WHO has a method which uses the circumfence of your waiste, sex and age to say you are overweight or not.
Dutch doctors also noted that most of the people in the ICU due to Covid19 are overweight.
paulca:
US Confirmed: 174k
US Population: 327m
Percentage: 0.05%

World Confirmed: 826k
World Population: 7.53b
Percentage: 0.01%

For perspective.  Of course "Confirmed" doesn't = infected. 

100x?
1000x?
nctnico:

--- Quote from: paulca on March 31, 2020, 06:49:34 pm ---US Confirmed: 174k
US Population: 327m
Percentage: 0.05%

World Confirmed: 826k
World Population: 7.53b
Percentage: 0.01%

For perspective.  Of course "Confirmed" doesn't = infected. 

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Rest assured that the problems in the poorer parts of the world are much bigger. But governments don't pay too much attention to it to prevent mass panic. Recently I saw a video of a couple doing shopping in full hazmat suits in Indonesia. The shop manager got angry claiming that they made people afraid.
DrG:
Why I am so angry at so much of my country’s top leadership for the Covid-19 response, why I believe that I am right to be angry and why I am not going to forget what has happened and what has not happened.

The top leadership ignored and over-ruled the scientists at the earliest stages and when actions would have had the greatest impact. National security SMEs were also ignored and over-ruled.

During the early stages the public was given bizarrely inaccurate messages (somehow “misinformation” doesn’t do it justice) from the highest levels of Government. The misinformation persists and has, again, created division in the country that costs lives and money.

Every dollar spent early would have produced a huge savings in just a few months. Instead of that realization, we saw a refusal to fight and a willful ignorance so profound that it is mind-numbing.

Because of asymptomatic infectors in addition to incubation time infectors, massive testing is required, not optional. Still, to this day we are deficient in testing and private companies, not the Federal Government, has taken the lead all along.

When I walk into a grocery store (because I have to buy food sometimes), everyone should be wearing a mask, period. That we have been unable to produce a sufficient amount of PPE given the substantial lead up time is no excuse to debate whether wearing a face mask is helpful, or worse, pontificate extraordinary circumstances that would make it a liability. It is absurd.

The US has a Defense Production Act which, essentially, gives power to the Federal Government to direct industry to produce essential goods and services. It was only used in one case so far and only a few days ago (GM, respirators/ventilators) and Ford had already begun working in the area.

We had a long period to prepare and act while watching the epidemic in China. Instead of gearing up for the inevitable (the one that scientists had been expecting) the top leadership engaged in buffoonery which has led to extant dumfukery.

As death counts exceed notable historical events of war, we see the top leadership spin events as “nobody saw this coming”, “nobody has ever seen something like this”, “what will be, will be”, “let’s not make the treatment worse than the sickness”, “let’s give ourselves an A+ for the great job we have done”. It is unacceptably pathetic and we have a right to expect better.

As hospital ICUs are over-run, those Covid-19 death counts will be underestimated because of the impact on deaths unrelated, but that would not have occurred, if ICUs were not operating beyond capability – that is what beyond capability means.

You bet I am angry and I have a right to be. What helps me now is the knowledge that I am not going to forget this dumfukery in November, and beyond, when I vote.
tautech:

--- Quote from: DrG on March 31, 2020, 07:13:48 pm ---Why I am so angry at so much of my country’s top leadership for the Covid-19 response, why I believe that I am right to be angry and why I am not going to forget what has happened and what has not happened.....................

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Money and international political posturing opportunities overrule the need to protect the population.
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