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Covid 19 virus
vk6zgo:
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--- Quote from: Nusa on March 31, 2020, 07:06:01 am ---One can drive from anywhere to anywhere in Germany in 8 hours or less, not to mention the 7 or 8 Schengen countries that have land borders. Australia only has sea or air borders, and driving times are often measured in days, not hours. Natural isolation, in other words.
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True, but people in Australia do travel and it doesn't take much to spark an outbreak in the densely populated areas.
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Not anymore, they don't!
Quite apart from closing the National borders, States have closed their own, with strict limits on what traffic is allowed to come through them.
More than that, Western Australia has closed off whole regions within the State, with the same strict controls over travel as with the State & National borders.
Australia has the advantage that the States are pretty much self-sufficient in fresh food supplies, which further reduces the necessity for transport to cross borders.
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But I was going for something else, not for absolute numbers: Australia, like Germany, is more likely to exhibit the true fatality rate in reporting, since due to the massive testing they're likely to also detect the mild cases and add them to the statistic early.
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Someone:
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 31, 2020, 07:04:38 pm ---Rest assured that the problems in the poorer parts of the world are much bigger. But governments don't pay too much attention to it to prevent mass panic. Recently I saw a video of a couple doing shopping in full hazmat suits in Indonesia. The shop manager got angry claiming that they made people afraid.
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Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems. At the extreme end they are single use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarization_Protective_Ensemble
Hazmat suits are generally both watertight and have breathing gas supplied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazmat_suit
What the media calls "hazmat" is nothing more than common dustproof/spashproof coveralls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom_suit
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 01:42:43 am ---Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems.
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That's a faintly ridiculous thing to say, protective clothing and equipment is not the sort of thing that, in any sane country, falls into the category of "heavily restricted objects/systems".
vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 31, 2020, 09:18:35 pm ---
--- Quote ---For perspective. Of course "Confirmed" doesn't = infected.
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For perspective, "confirmed" doesn't = survived. A number of those infected are going to die.l
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Ultimately, they all will, but some may take 80 or more years to do so!
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Actually, for perspective, it turns out that 50% of the intubated infected here in the UK won't make it out of ICU.
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vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 31, 2020, 10:36:25 pm ---
This is sort of an interesting take on the whole coronavirus thing here in the US, just ignore the title.
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The Republicans are the government---it's on them, no matter how they wriggle.
The Coalition government in Australia, had a very slow response to the huge fires late last year, & weren't that fast this time, but compared to the USA, their performance was stellar..
Once they set up a National Cabinet with the States, (of which many were of the other political persuasion), things started to happen in a hurry.
From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up.
I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically!
From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head".
The argument that they were "distracted by impeachment" doesn't wash, either, as Bill Clinton was able to deal with important issues during his impeachment, & Richard Nixon did a lot of important diplomatic work, including the beginning of normalised relations with China, & the extrication of the USA from Vietnam, whilst under the shadow of possible impeachment.
Those of my generation grew up seeing the USA as the immensely practical "can do" country, who could take on any disaster properly, & prevail.
We saw that start to come apart with Hurricane Katrina, & it is worse with this crisis.
What the hell happened, USA?
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