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Covid 19 virus
SkyMaster:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 01:42:43 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 31, 2020, 07:04:38 pm ---Rest assured that the problems in the poorer parts of the world are much bigger. But governments don't pay too much attention to it to prevent mass panic. Recently I saw a video of a couple doing shopping in full hazmat suits in Indonesia. The shop manager got angry claiming that they made people afraid.
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Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems. At the extreme end they are single use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarization_Protective_Ensemble
Hazmat suits are generally both watertight and have breathing gas supplied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazmat_suit
What the media calls "hazmat" is nothing more than common dustproof/spashproof coveralls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom_suit
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A DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit cost less than $2000 in Canada, a little bit expensive for Halloween, but available.
:)
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am ---Those of my generation grew up seeing the USA as the immensely practical "can do" country, who could take on any disaster properly, & prevail.
We saw that start to come apart with Hurricane Katrina, & it is worse with this crisis.
What the hell happened, USA?
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the same hell that happened all over the world
that is what happens when the freedom of the market comes before the freedom and the rights of real people
so global warming, depletion of resources, destruction of the last pieces of wild areas favor the transmission of new viral strains from animals to humans, while globalization makes the spread of those (and lots of crop pests) amazingly fast and effective
at the same time most of public resources, health systems, law enforcing, instruction and so on have been under-funded for years all over the world and so are much less effective even when there is no crisis
I even read that in the US, a couple of days ago, a 17 years old boy died of COVID-19 just because he could not afford to pay the hospital while yesterday mr Trump promised to help Italy with health devices for a value of 100 millions of USD
that does make little sense given that even the US have a lack of those devices while the contagion in the most stricken parts of Italy is already decreasing and probably Spain might need them more than us now
in any case this thread was started just a bit longer than a month ago
in the meanwhile everything has changed so quickly that even what I wrote myself looks so strange now
BTW even that oddly low provisional death-rate of COVID-19 in Germany is now quickly increasing above 1%
I guess the contagion there is just later and they might have a chance to manage that better than us in Italy
Someone:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 01, 2020, 02:07:41 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 01:42:43 am ---Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems.
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That's a faintly ridiculous thing to say, protective clothing and equipment is not the sort of thing that, in any sane country, falls into the category of "heavily restricted objects/systems".
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Respirators and suits providing significant protection against chemical and biological agents (actual hazmat suits) are dual use products.
https://dsgl.defence.gov.au/dsglcontent/Pages/1A004.aspx
Not something you can just stroll down to the local shops and buy.
--- Quote from: SkyMaster on April 01, 2020, 03:30:54 am ---A DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit cost less than $2000 in Canada, a little bit expensive for Halloween, but available.
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A good example but have you tried buying one? Plenty of controlled products are advertised on online stores, but it doesn't mean they will sell to the general public. Also thats only the suit shell, still plenty of other components and procedures required.
Hazmat suit:
Disposable cleanroom suit:
Or is thing going to go the way of drones and industry will need to find some new term to actually differentiate any given industrial coverall from biological/chemical hazard protection?
BravoV:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on April 01, 2020, 03:52:35 am ---I even read that in the US, a couple of days ago, a 17 years old boy died of COVID-19 just because he could not afford to pay the hospital while yesterday mr Trump promised to help Italy with health devices for a value of 100 millions of USD
that does make little sense given that even the US have a lack of those devices while the contagion in the most stricken parts of Italy is already decreasing and probably Spain might need them more than us now
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Yep, quite strange, while the Trump also offered medical supplies for Iran for fighting this virus. ::)
Meanwhile ... (not seen covered in Western medias or news outlets, at least yet) :-//
-> Russian Covid-19 aid plane to US: Putin asked Trump if he needed help & he accepted, Kremlin spokesman says
-> WATCH Russian military plane with masks & other Covid-19 medical aid depart for US
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am ---The Republicans are the government---it's on them, no matter how they wriggle.
The Coalition government in Australia, had a very slow response to the huge fires late last year, & weren't that fast this time, but compared to the USA, their performance was stellar..
Once they set up a National Cabinet with the States, (of which many were of the other political persuasion), things started to happen in a hurry.
From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up.
I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically!
From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head".
The argument that they were "distracted by impeachment" doesn't wash, either, as Bill Clinton was able to deal with important issues during his impeachment, & Richard Nixon did a lot of important diplomatic work, including the beginning of normalised relations with China, & the extrication of the USA from Vietnam, whilst under the shadow of possible impeachment.
Those of my generation grew up seeing the USA as the immensely practical "can do" country, who could take on any disaster properly, & prevail.
We saw that start to come apart with Hurricane Katrina, & it is worse with this crisis.
What the hell happened, USA?
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The timeline is accurate though. And the republicans are NOT the government. They have the white house and the senate but not the house. You need all 3, and some luck, to be able to do whatever you want. They stopped a budget from passing for months, they kept the stimulus bill from passing for days to add more money for special interests. I don't know exactly how australia works but here you need a super majority or some cooperation to do much. That's why Obama liked executive orders so much, it was the way around it and Republicans weren't interested in suing every time one was signed, unlike the Democrats.
His point with impeachment was that it was the only thing the Democrats were dealing with while calling the president a xenophobe for trying to lock our borders down from china. I'm not trying to defend his sort of reasoning behind why he thinks what he thinks, just thought it was an interesting video. Not too many people have been following this thing with as much focus as he has from what I can tell. It also probably helps explain some things going on here for non americans since we're now #1 in infections.
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