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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 04:31:49 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on April 01, 2020, 02:07:41 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 01:42:43 am ---Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems. --- End quote --- That's a faintly ridiculous thing to say, protective clothing and equipment is not the sort of thing that, in any sane country, falls into the category of "heavily restricted objects/systems". --- End quote --- Respirators and suits providing significant protection against chemical and biological agents (actual hazmat suits) are dual use products. https://dsgl.defence.gov.au/dsglcontent/Pages/1A004.aspx Not something you can just stroll down to the local shops and buy. --- End quote --- Dual use = export controlled. People around here buy dual use things all the time, fast FPGAs, thermal cameras. A couple of weeks back I had to complete an end user certificate to import a very ordinary FPGA board from the US because it is classified as dual use. Buying similar things domestically without importing them happens with no paper work at all. I note that the DSGL list you pointed to includes full face respirators in the same category - are you really trying to tell us that your government treats these as "highly restricted" and one could not wander down to the local supplier of equipment to car resprayers and just pick one off the shelf? You certainly could here, I have done. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 01, 2020, 01:32:07 pm --- --- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 01, 2020, 10:26:20 am ---...and the EEVblog member body bag and or life support machine count so far is.. ? :-// same as last week or less? :popcorn: --- End quote --- How would we know? Does the afterlife have an internet connection? --- End quote --- Must have, I've seen many posts on the Internet from people who are obviously brain dead. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 01, 2020, 05:42:59 am ---In the USA, law exist that an acute patient cannot be rejected by any hospital - even private hospitals. The patient must be stabilized and under no immediate danger before they can let the patient leave. Law is one thing, hospitals and emergency rooms are in practice a chaotic place. I had to visit the emergency room on a couple of occasions - had the wait-time for the 2nd visit been as long as the 1st visit, my wife would probably have died waiting. If you can wait, they will see you - insured or not. Died while waiting - well, happens to the insured and uninsured. That 17 year old who died may not be in the USA. Besides being rejected by hospital which is hard to believe, according to CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR March 26 update (with corrections)[1]), there is no confirmed deaths for anyone at or below 19 years old. I have been monitoring. Over the weekend, I read about an unconfirmed case of an infant, but clearly 17 year old would not be an infant. As to the lack of equipment or tests, most irresponsible government (local, state or federal) let their stand-by equipment unreplenished. The prior administration let the stock went near empty. No one noticed until they need the surge-stock. Right now, New York is our worst State in terms of cases. Of the (approx) 160K positive cases in the USA, almost 70K are in NY state - NY City alone has over 40K cases. According to "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" developed by New York State Department of Health in Nov 2015[2], they had practically no surge capacity. Of the 8991 ventilators which included the 1750 intended for surge, 85% are already in use. Simple math said they were dipping into the emergence stockpile even in normal times. Expansion was necessary since at least 2015 as stated in the report. I am sure many other States are in similar situation. Spend the money on extra pension and perks instead of stocking up for rainy days. The Federal government was in similar situation. H1N1 (swine flu), Ebola, (etc.) used up plenty of stock and was not replenished. With the Federal Government's declaration of emergency, it gave the Feds the power (DPA) to force industries to produce certain products needed by the nation to deal with the emergency. Many corporations already responded without DPA, but at least one did need the influence of DPA before getting moving. So, we have plenty of manufacturing capacity coming on-line, soon. Trump is rather generous - with expectation that we will soon be able to make more than we need, he is offering those anticipated excesses to help others. As to it could be too late then, well, that is as fast as it can happen. If we don't need it by then, all the better for having recovered from an emergency sooner rather than later. As to "same hell that happened all over the world..." Yeah, profit before the "good of others" is all over the world. I am however sure it is just being profit-driven that brought "hell over the world". Case and point: the selfish people who just want their "spring break at the beach" risk infecting others just so they have a good time. Clearly, "spring break" has no profit in it for the spring-breakers. So, this is my opinion: I think most kids (most people) now are a bit too self-centered and a bit too soft (lacking grit or the ability to deal with dirty/difficult circumstances) to deal with reality. They want freedom, but how many are willing to bleed to defend it? References: [1] CDC MMWR March 26 update [url]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm[/url] [2] "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" developed by New York State Department of Health [url]https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf[/url] --- End quote --- A small and specific set of people seems to pick up on a lot of inflammatory news without credible sources. They seem to either be in it to stir unrest or lost their cool in the face of a crisis. This turns out to be a great time to evaluate who you can depend on in a crisis. Many people turn out to be surprisingly practical or cool-headed, while some just turn to mush or panic to the point and becoming a huge liability. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 31, 2020, 10:36:25 pm --- This is sort of an interesting take on the whole coronavirus thing here in the US, just ignore the title. --- End quote --- When the guy starts by listing who to blame you know you're in for a shit show. It's a virus, a force of nature. No one responded wholly appropriately and no one could really know how so fair dinkum. Making this into a partisan or nationalist thing is backwards. How about we omit the playground justice and fix this problem best we can? |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 01, 2020, 10:26:20 am ---...and the EEVblog member body bag and or life support machine count so far is.. ? :-// same as last week or less? :popcorn: --- End quote --- Look at the stats and see who hasn't been active for a couple of days. |
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