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Covid 19 virus
SkyMaster:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 04:31:49 am ---Respirators and suits providing significant protection against chemical and biological agents (actual hazmat suits) are dual use products.
https://dsgl.defence.gov.au/dsglcontent/Pages/1A004.aspx
Not something you can just stroll down to the local shops and buy.
--- Quote from: SkyMaster on April 01, 2020, 03:30:54 am ---A DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit cost less than $2000 in Canada, a little bit expensive for Halloween, but available.
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A good example but have you tried buying one? Plenty of controlled products are advertised on online stores, but it doesn't mean they will sell to the general public. Also thats only the suit shell, still plenty of other components and procedures required.
Hazmat suit:
(Attachment Link)
Or is thing going to go the way of drones and industry will need to find some new term to actually differentiate any given industrial coverall from biological/chemical hazard protection?
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The DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit looks just like the Hazmat image you posted.
The Canadian web site (Fisher Scientific) mentions "For Use: industrial, HazMat and domestic preparedness applications". By domestic, they probably do not mean Military :)
Maybe the rules in Canada are different from the rules in Australia.
Anyway, I am sure that in your home lab you have plenty of equipment that are typically not sold at the consumer level.
Also, when I buy automotive paint (to paint cars) the package always read something along the line of "Not to be sold to consumer". I guess in Canada auto part stores are not considered consumer level stores.
:)
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am ---
From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up.
I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically!
From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head".
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I don't know where you get your information from but you need a new source! Nothing in this statement is true. NO state governor asked for "hard restrictions" and to date NO state border has been closed. My son just drove from California to Florida and was never stopped once. That's across the entire United States from west to east. Some states including Florida are just starting to set up checkpoints this past Monday where people are being checked for the virus but no one is being turned back. Anyone that is suspected of having the virus is being sent to the nearest hospital. Other states that surround virus hot spots of New York, New Jersey, Louisiana are taking similar measures.
I doubt that "Don" is picking numbers off of his head. Most likely he's picking numbers that reflect the actual number of ventilators available and telling Cuomo and the other governors that they can't each have another 40,000 ventilators. (That is the number that Cuomo is demanding and he just got an additional 8,000 from the feds this past week.) It has nothing to do with political parties, I'll just point out that the two states that so far have gotten the lion shares of ventilators from the federal government are both staunch Democratic states (New York and California) with Democratic governors. So far, Florida which is a strongly Republican state with a Republican governor has gotten none! But in the last few weeks we have gotten an extra 200,000 New Yorkers that fled New York when a quarantine was imposed and flew to Florida. And now two international cruise ship full of exposed and infected crews and passengers are being landed in Florida. Oh, and who got the two US Navy hospital ships? New York and California!
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on April 01, 2020, 06:47:32 pm ---
--- Quote ---Austrian authorities are facing a class action lawsuit involving as many as 2,500 tourists over their handling of a coronavirus outbreak in the popular Austrian winter sports resort of Ischgl, in Tyrol province.
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https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html
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That statement sounds like it came from one of our US ambulance-chasing scum-bag lawyers. They're announcing a possible class-action lawsuit involving as many as 2500 plaintiffs but the press release never says what it is that the resort is alleged to have done wrong.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on April 01, 2020, 09:15:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am ---
From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up.
I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically!
From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head".
--- End quote ---
I don't know where you get your information from but you need a new source! Nothing in this statement is true. NO state governor asked for "hard restrictions" and to date NO state border has been closed. My son just drove from California to Florida and was never stopped once.
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You're being a tad parochial and failing to realise that other federated countries exist and the federated entities within them are called states - in this case the states being referred to are the states of Australia. The big clue is in the second line of the comment you're quoting that starts "The Coalition government in Australia...".
Someone:
--- Quote from: SkyMaster on April 01, 2020, 09:03:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 04:31:49 am ---Respirators and suits providing significant protection against chemical and biological agents (actual hazmat suits) are dual use products.
https://dsgl.defence.gov.au/dsglcontent/Pages/1A004.aspx
Not something you can just stroll down to the local shops and buy.
--- Quote from: SkyMaster on April 01, 2020, 03:30:54 am ---A DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit cost less than $2000 in Canada, a little bit expensive for Halloween, but available.
--- End quote ---
A good example but have you tried buying one? Plenty of controlled products are advertised on online stores, but it doesn't mean they will sell to the general public. Also thats only the suit shell, still plenty of other components and procedures required.
Hazmat suit:
(Attachment Link)
Or is thing going to go the way of drones and industry will need to find some new term to actually differentiate any given industrial coverall from biological/chemical hazard protection?
--- End quote ---
The DuPont Tychem 10,000 Level A Suit looks just like the Hazmat image you posted.
The Canadian web site (Fisher Scientific) mentions "For Use: industrial, HazMat and domestic preparedness applications". By domestic, they probably do not mean Military :)
Maybe the rules in Canada are different from the rules in Australia.
Anyway, I am sure that in your home lab you have plenty of equipment that are typically not sold at the consumer level.
Also, when I buy automotive paint (to paint cars) the package always read something along the line of "Not to be sold to consumer". I guess in Canada auto part stores are not considered consumer level stores.
:)
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Yes, that is a picture of that same hazmat suit you mention (so clearly you aren't actually familiar with the things you point to), its an example of an actual watertight hazmat suit but alone is still not very effective. Not being typically sold to consumers is very different from a product stocked but not sold to unlicensed/unregistered users. Thermal cameras used to be in that sort of category and high resolution and/or frame rate modes only recently became available to the general public. You keep coming back with nothing more than your thoughts, rather than actual examples or experiences. But the actual point....
So far all the "reports" of people wearing hazmat suits have turned out to be simple coveralls. Most of them were the absorbent dust suits as used in cleanrooms, which are completely ineffective and likely worse than regular clothing + hand hygiene.
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