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--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 01, 2020, 01:56:13 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 04:31:49 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on April 01, 2020, 02:07:41 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 01:42:43 am ---Nonsense, hazmat suits are heavily restricted objects/systems. --- End quote --- That's a faintly ridiculous thing to say, protective clothing and equipment is not the sort of thing that, in any sane country, falls into the category of "heavily restricted objects/systems". --- End quote --- Respirators and suits providing significant protection against chemical and biological agents (actual hazmat suits) are dual use products. https://dsgl.defence.gov.au/dsglcontent/Pages/1A004.aspx Not something you can just stroll down to the local shops and buy. --- End quote --- Dual use = export controlled. People around here buy dual use things all the time, fast FPGAs, thermal cameras. A couple of weeks back I had to complete an end user certificate to import a very ordinary FPGA board from the US because it is classified as dual use. Buying similar things domestically without importing them happens with no paper work at all. I note that the DSGL list you pointed to includes full face respirators in the same category - are you really trying to tell us that your government treats these as "highly restricted" and one could not wander down to the local supplier of equipment to car resprayers and just pick one off the shelf? You certainly could here, I have done. --- End quote --- Crossing borders is another level of complexity but as goods get higher and higher up the "dual usefulness" just buying them domestically requires paperwork/oversight to ensure they are not being resold/exported/used for their possible military applications. Thermal cameras used to be like that and were held under lock and key like firearms. Lots of really boring things are mysteriously hard/impossible to obtain, all under dual use controls. And no, you can't walk down to the local respray shop and buy biological rated filters for a full face mask, you get filters that are effective against industrial solvents/particulates. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 01, 2020, 10:00:44 pm ---And no, you can't walk down to the local respray shop and buy biological rated filters for a full face mask, you get filters that are effective against industrial solvents/particulates. --- End quote --- I can actually hear the scrapping noise those goalposts are making as you move them with the strawman draped across them. |
| Electro Detective:
--- Quote from: pipe2null on April 01, 2020, 05:28:13 am --- I have good news and I have bad news. It's April Fools day... in the middle of a pandemic. :popcorn: --- End quote --- Friendly FYI: it's been AFD warming up for a few weeks now, going well, and apparently getting a 6 month extension or more till further notice :-// But don't tell anyone, otherwise the joke will be a fail, and the fun will end before everyone is bankrupt, unemployed and destitute, and only then will they realize what an uber extended AFD job it was :clap: and enjoy a good laugh over it :o ;D :-DD :-DD |
| Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 01, 2020, 09:33:46 pm --- --- Quote from: Stray Electron on April 01, 2020, 09:15:00 pm --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am --- From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up. I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically! From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head". --- End quote --- I don't know where you get your information from but you need a new source! Nothing in this statement is true. NO state governor asked for "hard restrictions" and to date NO state border has been closed. My son just drove from California to Florida and was never stopped once. --- End quote --- You're being a tad parochial and failing to realise that other federated countries exist and the federated entities within them are called states - in this case the states being referred to are the states of Australia. The big clue is in the second line of the comment you're quoting that starts "The Coalition government in Australia...". --- End quote --- And you neglected to read the rest of his statement which specifically about the US. Here is the rest of of what you ignored, the last line in the first paragraph makes it clear that he was referring to the US and each of the three following paragraphs also refer specifically to the US. Go back and read his post again, the quote about "The Coalition Government of Australia" was a previous paragraph. "From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up. I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically! From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head". The argument that they were "distracted by impeachment" doesn't wash, either, as Bill Clinton was able to deal with important issues during his impeachment, & Richard Nixon did a lot of important diplomatic work, including the beginning of normalised relations with China, & the extrication of the USA from Vietnam, whilst under the shadow of possible impeachment. Those of my generation grew up seeing the USA as the immensely practical "can do" country, who could take on any disaster properly, & prevail. We saw that start to come apart with Hurricane Katrina, & it is worse with this crisis. What the hell happened, USA?" |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on April 01, 2020, 09:15:00 pm --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on April 01, 2020, 02:48:32 am --- From the start, the States pushed for hard restrictions, & some went so far as to unilaterally close State borders, so the Federal govt had to go along with the majority in the body they set up. I'm really not sure if that would be legally possible in the USA-------It certainly wouldn't be, politically! From a distance, what we mostly see is the POTUS scoring political points from arguing with State leaders from the other Party about how many ventilators are needed, with Don seemingly "picking a number off the top of his head". --- End quote --- I don't know where you get your information from but you need a new source! Nothing in this statement is true. NO state governor asked for "hard restrictions" and to date NO state border has been closed. My son just drove from California to Florida and was never stopped once. That's across the entire United States from west to east. Some states including Florida are just starting to set up checkpoints this past Monday where people are being checked for the virus but no one is being turned back. Anyone that is suspected of having the virus is being sent to the nearest hospital. Other states that surround virus hot spots of New York, New Jersey, Louisiana are taking similar measures. I doubt that "Don" is picking numbers off of his head. Most likely he's picking numbers that reflect the actual number of ventilators available and telling Cuomo and the other governors that they can't each have another 40,000 ventilators. (That is the number that Cuomo is demanding and he just got an additional 8,000 from the feds this past week.) It has nothing to do with political parties, I'll just point out that the two states that so far have gotten the lion shares of ventilators from the federal government are both staunch Democratic states (New York and California) with Democratic governors. So far, Florida which is a strongly Republican state with a Republican governor has gotten none! But in the last few weeks we have gotten an extra 200,000 New Yorkers that fled New York when a quarantine was imposed and flew to Florida. And now two international cruise ship full of exposed and infected crews and passengers are being landed in Florida. Oh, and who got the two US Navy hospital ships? New York and California! --- End quote --- It would be nice if you read my post properly! The States referred to are the Australian States. There was a change of subject in the next sentence, where I wrote:- "i'm not really sure if that would be legally possible in the USA---------it certainly wouldn't be, politically" My point in that sentence was that Australian States may have greater autonomy under our Constitution, than you have under yours, & of course, you have many more States! I apologise for not giving President Trump his full title, but it is common amongst Australians & others to use the shortened first name version, thus, the Australian PM is often referred to as "Scotty", the UK PM as "Boris", the Russian President as "Vlad", & so on. |
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