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BravoV:

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--- Quote from: nctnico on March 30, 2020, 10:40:31 pm ---Meanwhile it seems there is a propaganda war going on in Italy between Cuba, China, Russia and the US about who can deliver the most support.  :palm:
Ofcourse there is a lot of chest beating going on while in reality France has delivered more face masks to Italy compared to Cuba, China and Russia.

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You are comparing apples to oranges. Cuba sent doctors, Russia sent doctors and disinfecting equipment and personnel. Any boots on the ground from France?

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I wrote 'face masks'!  :palm:
And what are a couple of dozen doctors and nurses going to accomplish compared to the hundreds of thousands of Italian health care workers and military personel anyway? Less than a drop in a bucket. It is pure propaganda to push a wedge into the EU.
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Meanwhile, regarding facemasks ordered by France in China ...  :-DD

Just translate your self using Google Translate if you don't understand French.

Translated title -> A French order for masks diverted to the United States on a Chinese tarmac
-> Une commande française de masques détournée vers les Etats-Unis sur un tarmac chinois


Nusa:

--- Quote from: Someone on April 02, 2020, 06:24:45 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 02, 2020, 04:01:44 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on April 02, 2020, 02:23:02 am ---It does appear you introduced buying full face mask respirators retail, yet failed to link them back to the dual use product classifications which separates out those which are controlled. Seems this thread is full of people who just look at things on a superficial level and equate them, when protective equipment is actually extremely nuanced and complicated.
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You've gone to surprising lengths to try and ridicule the OP who mentioned hazmat suits, gainsay me and one other poster who's called you out on hyperbole too, and you still haven't actually made your case. You have completely failed to demonstrate that hazmat suits are, in any fashion other then export control, "heavily restricted items", failed to demonstrate that there is any official "control" forbidding their sale in the normal course of business. You just keep doubling down on the same statement without actually providing any proof, yet conveniently exclude any evidence of them being on general industrial sale by just gainsaying it thus:
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Proof? Which supplier would want to risk their supply permit by either sharing its details, or selling dual use products freely risking onward supply?

But back on the original point, seems there was at least one example of a shopper who went to the effort and used substantial biological controls.
(Attachment Link)

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Perhaps you should point at the regulations you speak of. Although I expect their existence and details will vary greatly by country.

As for the equipment in the picture, that's fairly low end stuff. The sort of gear a pest exterminator might wear when spraying indoors, for instance. The suit is fairly cheap, the respirator might be too...picture isn't that good. Whether it was any actual effort would depend on what that shopper does for a living. Could be he just made use of equipment he already had handy for his day job.
peter-h:
This is worth seeing

not1xor1:
A recent post of mine has been removed. I do not know who did that.

Italian government welfare agency (INPS) where people who lost jobs can apply for subsides has been recently hacked.

Newspapers also speak about disinformation campaign organized by some foreign powers who while publicly acting as aid providers aim at dividing and weakening EU.

Anybody can get more information starting from Wikipedia links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_StratCom_Task_Force

--- Quote ---The full record of the Task Force's work on disinformation is available on its website EUvsDisinfo.eu
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Someone:

--- Quote from: Nusa on April 02, 2020, 07:07:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on April 02, 2020, 06:24:45 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 02, 2020, 04:01:44 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on April 02, 2020, 02:23:02 am ---It does appear you introduced buying full face mask respirators retail, yet failed to link them back to the dual use product classifications which separates out those which are controlled. Seems this thread is full of people who just look at things on a superficial level and equate them, when protective equipment is actually extremely nuanced and complicated.
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You've gone to surprising lengths to try and ridicule the OP who mentioned hazmat suits, gainsay me and one other poster who's called you out on hyperbole too, and you still haven't actually made your case. You have completely failed to demonstrate that hazmat suits are, in any fashion other then export control, "heavily restricted items", failed to demonstrate that there is any official "control" forbidding their sale in the normal course of business. You just keep doubling down on the same statement without actually providing any proof, yet conveniently exclude any evidence of them being on general industrial sale by just gainsaying it thus:
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Proof? Which supplier would want to risk their supply permit by either sharing its details, or selling dual use products freely risking onward supply?

But back on the original point, seems there was at least one example of a shopper who went to the effort and used substantial biological controls.
(Attachment Link)

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Perhaps you should point at the regulations you speak of. Although I expect their existence and details will vary greatly by country.

As for the equipment in the picture, that's fairly low end stuff. The sort of gear a pest exterminator might wear when spraying indoors, for instance. The suit is fairly cheap, the respirator might be too...picture isn't that good. Whether it was any actual effort would depend on what that shopper does for a living. Could be he just made use of equipment he already had handy for his day job.

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That is the most extreme example I've seen so far documented in mass media, as you say still relatively common and affordable equipment. If you're really interested the Australian government makes it easy to find the relevant legislation:
https://www.defence.gov.au/ExportControls/Legislation.asp
and to add to the confusion the legislation is being fiddled with day on day around the COVID epidemic, such as control of "essential" products:
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00343
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