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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on April 02, 2020, 06:16:01 am ---If you search with google "China Coronavirus lies" it'd appear a lot of people question China. That is a pretty biased search term though. --- End quote --- Of course there are enough people in the world that, finally joined together by the Internet, there is a not insignificant quantity of resources on the same devoted to the belief that the earth is flat, the Illuminati are real and control the world, and so on. There are enough people who believe that China exists wholly to make America/the Wests's lives miserable that it's just plain natural that there's a lot of conspiracy flying about around China. The truth is, as always, subtler. China, without a doubt, have a history of producing propaganda and controlling what appears in the media for political/appearance reasons both for domestic and foreign consumption. To be clear, the West does this too perhaps not to the same extent but we definitely do do it; it's just that it's 'our little tribe' so we don't see it clearly for what it is. Doing this has a knock on effect that you start to believe your own propaganda and model your world view on it - it becomes self-reinforcing. The Chinese variety is compounded by a deep rooted cultural attitude towards 'saving face', an attitude that exists but isn't as deep or widespread in the West except notably in certain political figures. There is evidence that there was a knee jerk "don't accept bad news, it couldn't happen here in our wonderful society" reaction in China to the initial reports of a starting Coronavirus epidemic. The doctor who first reported the likely epidemic was given a hard time. Unusually sense and respect for actual evidence quickly prevailed, the doctor was exonerated the people who had tried to suppress the "bad news" given an arse kicking instead. Chinese officialdom overcame their "no bad news here" conditioning and prioritised responding appropriately over propaganda. They accepted that this was a situation where facts trump ideology. It's that about turn that makes it unlikely that China have gone back into propaganda mode over reporting coronavirus related statistics. At this point sense says that there isn't any political mileage in falsifying the statistics. Once they made the step to publicly acknowledge that a big problem existed they stepped past the point where there was any face to be saved, and indeed now the way to keep face is to be able to demonstrate that they are being open handed about this. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: peter-h on April 02, 2020, 08:31:34 am ---This is worth seeing --- End quote --- Without a summary I doubt that anyone will bother watching this. From the title it sounds like a conspiracy nut video and most people will, rightly, dismiss it out of hand and not bother watching it. |
| DrG:
I have seen a text that is being circulated with an opening attribution stating that it is from Johns Hopkins (University or Hospital): The following was sent out by John Hopkins Hospital regarding COVID-19. Excellent article and recommendations: https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1493754 Johns Hopkins University has sent this detailed note on avoiding the contagion. http://shadysideschools.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/AvodingCovid19.pdf I do not believe that the text, in the variations that I have seen, ever originated from Johns Hopkins (I looked for quite a while) and I am not going to post it here. It contains a number of clear inaccuracies ... SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, it is not a DNA virus. The recommended concentration of bleach as a disinfectant is ~ 10 times that recommended by the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html I can't find any Listerine mouthwash product advertised at containing 65% alcohol (or even 30% alcohol). There are other issues with the text that can be argued to be less problematic and there is some legitimate advice in there as well. Everyone finds their own way but, in my view, there is a good deal of credible information out there from credible sources with traceable attributions (even those can be wrong at some time or another as more is known). I don't see any reason to even bother with recommendations that can't be traced to a legitimate source. I am immediately suspicious when I see these. |
| mrflibble:
--- Quote from: peter-h on April 02, 2020, 08:31:34 am ---This is worth seeing --- End quote --- This is worth autograbbing, piping through quick filter and dumping here to save random future victim 3 minutes of life. /Barely/ worth it. Had targeted max spent time at 2 minutes. Went over it, but kept under 3 minutes. Oh well. --- Quote from: Cerebus on April 02, 2020, 01:23:20 pm ---Without a summary I doubt that anyone will bother watching this. From the title it sounds like a conspiracy nut video and most people will, rightly, dismiss it out of hand and not bother watching it. --- End quote --- Can't be bothered to frob proper formatting. Caption spammed below: --- Quote from: High confidence interval clickbait on April 02, 2020, 08:31:34 am ---(put in code box to limit vertical post size) --- Code: ---the Chinese government really needs to do a better job of hiding information if they're gonna keep changing their story and blaming the coronavirus on other countries like Italy or the USA or Japan or whatever well I'm not a fan of theories or unproven scenarios it's been impossible to avoid them in the outbreak of the corona virus simply due to the fact that it was completely covered up in the beginning stages in China this isn't really gonna be a theory it's just public information I found when it broke China was the first to jump onto the local Wuhan and who Bay government and villainize them until they had their perfect scapegoat this was of course preceded with the fact that we now know it wasn't just a local issue it was in fact the way that the Chinese government was structured that led the top-down leadership to stifle and prevent the release of any relevant information for months which could have prevented this global pandemic first and foremost this is the Communist Party of China's fault in the fact that there are people gasping for breath in their deathbed in your town is solely on the consciousness of the CCP and the people who entrusted them to enter our global systems like the w-h-o the thing is after living in China for 10 years and speaking fluent Chinese you get to know a society pretty well and let me tell you this if you're applauding or admiring the political leadership of China you're all deluded beyond belief China doesn't operate like your country the Chinese government is a face and greed driven government that relies on lies and bullying to maintain leadership it's broken and fragile so it doesn't surprise me that when I was doing my research in my last video it wasn't hard to follow a paper trail left by the CCP themselves in my last video I found it very suspicious that the official Wuhan virology lab had a job opening from November 18th of 2019 asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats specifically why they carry the virus yet our long-lived it's no secret that longevity as well as other ailments are well studied in China as can be seen by the ridiculous amounts of traditional Chinese medicines that supposedly treat them vero bile injections is state endorsed coronavirus cure anyone any way while reading this job posting I fail to notice until the next day then another job posting followed the previous post and this is where it got big so when I examine the job posting I noticed that there was actually a follow-up job posting on December 24th of 2019 remember this is before any news broke which basically says we've discovered a new and terrible virus and would like to recruit people to come deal with it I found this interesting because like I said that news didn't come out about coronavirus until ages after that so I decided to dig a little bit more into the staff after all they would have published articles being scientists turns out this woman should youngly she was a lead researcher of the lab and she was famous for bat studies they called her bat woman in some circles she even received an award for approving bats are natural reservoirs of SARS like coronaviruses in November 2017 all the way through 2018 she had already written three articles about how bats can transmit corona viruses to humans this is all public knowledge she and her team went south to Yunnan Province all the way you know deep south to China is very beautiful there and she found out that SARS like viruses originally came from bats in fact in 2017 from data taken from one of her studies in rural Yunnan Province she took blood samples from 218 villagers after testing it it showed that SARS like viruses found in bats from nearby caves have a high potential to affect people she predicted that humans coming into contact with bats would have a high chance of becoming infected after blood testing the 218 villagers she found that six people in Yunnan were found to be infected she returned to Wuhan to the lab to continue studying stars like coronaviruses from bats for a long period of time and this is why you can see the November 18th 2019 job posting asking for more researchers to join the project during this time we don't know much but the December 24th posting acknowledges that they've made a big discovery in human transmissibility and they need more help to deal with it so that's where it got kind of spooky during my research a name kept popping up Huang yelling Huang Lian Ling was a researcher in the lab working on the virology of bats with Zhang Li and she's missing most people believe her to be patient zero and most people believe she's dead she's young Li you know the had lab leader told the government that she swears on her life that she isn't dead nor was she infected however all of her info on the Wuhan lab website you know where I found the job posting it's gone so if you look here if you go to the actual virology website you can see all the people that were working here or were students they all have their BIOS still up whether or not they moved on from the Wuhan lab but if you can see Huang Lian Ling's profile is completely vanished her picture is gone and now her bio was gone as well but if you go to the other students all their BIOS remain intact knowing his scenar and the government has posted a notice instead of any information about her on the lab website stating that there were rumors of her disappearance but she's alive and well without giving an ounce of proof of course everyone on the Chinese internet is searching for her but most believe that her body was quickly cremated and the people working at the crematorium where perhaps infected as they were not given any information about the virus it was a secret after all the thing is this has sparked a massive discussion on the Chinese internet and most of the articles get scrubbed pretty quickly but I found a lot of good points now the thing is the CCP put up this kind of notice saying that she's totally alive and everything's okay and don't believe these rumors but but if you've been in China you know how how much the CCP actually hates rumors and if Wong yelling is truly alive like they claim why is her photo and bio removed the other associates and graduates remain on the website even after moving to other positions at different labs or different universities the first thing that the government would do the CCP that I know at least the first thing they would do to quash this rumor is to make her have a public appearance then people would stop talking about it yet people are still looking for and can't find her and I'm not talking about normal medicines I'm talking about PhDs I'm talking about scientists I'm talking about professors and this is where it kind of started to come together on February 6 2020 albertov he was a professor he posted a thesis about details that he knew about but he wasn't supposed to talk about I see some kind of links to people like Lee wen Liang who wanted to say something but they couldn't but she'll wha tell the professor he posted the information anyway he knew researchers at the lab that were infected and they had already begun self quarantine after they showed symptoms of being infected and the majority of the researchers at the lab were already suspicious that this virus that they were coming down with was from Pat's the professor directly pointed out that the main source of the virus is from the wuhan lab which is only 300 or actually 280 meters to be exact from the hanan seafood market where it was originally claimed to have originated he also claims that it is not a natural infection so not something that people would have just come across in nature he also gives a clear timeline and has information that researchers were splashed with urine and blood samples from all the bats that were collected not only that he also knew exactly how many bats were collected in the lab now pairing the researcher Huang Lian Ling's disappearance with the fact that people working in the lab claimed to have been splashed with coronavirus containing vials and her online presence has been scrubbed from existence all happening in a lab 280 metres away from the Han seafood market where the lab in question had been studying that's a human transmissibility of coronaviruses it's quite clear that the Chinese government needs to close his mouth and acknowledge that this in fact did come from wuhan hubei China I did not get into any conspiracy theories I'm not talking about bio weapons or bio labs or anything of the sort this was all public information on the Chinese Internet published by researchers scientists and doctors with the CCP is all powerful control to hide everything it can the truth usually still finds its way out the Chinese government should cover their tracks better next time if you're gonna blame this on Italy or the US or whatever is convenient to your narrative the ccp's incompetence and clear understanding of the corona virus and his danger on a scientific level and then going on to silence those who wanted to warn the public and letting the virus spread for months is the reason the entire world is infected with a deadly pandemic the Chinese government must be held accountable please make sure that you're all self quarantine if at all possible most things are available for delivery so please don't go shopping unless absolutely necessary make sure you're wearing a masking if you do and disinfecting anything that has come into contact with anything it's our job to clean up this mess and the only way is to be responsible and not come in contact with people this will only further the spread and put unnecessary burden on the already overstretched medical staff in your country thank you to everyone who is supporting me on patreon it's the only way I can do what I do right now due to the D monetization of everything coronavirus related it may dissuade people from talking about it but the world needs to know the truth and covering details like I have done today is the least I can do to uncover and disprove the absolute lies coming from the Chinese government right now whose sole purpose is self-preservation thank you -- Spammed but not read --- End code --- --- End quote --- |
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