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not1xor1:

--- Quote from: vodka on April 02, 2020, 04:20:41 pm ---Worse by them , they will lose information of how work the world behind the scenes. I believe(hypotesis) that the covid  was released by the chinese goverment or by  a faction of the Chinese  Comunist Party versus Xi Jinping.

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1-2 weeks ago Nature Medicine published a convincing article stating the virus is of natural origin

the main responsibility is likely in the slow reaction of Wuhan local government while other countries just deluded themselves into believing all this would have remained in Asia and would have never concerned them

no country took the chance to prepare in advance for the future emergency
even when things started to run out of control in Italy most of people in charge in the other countries didn't care much

most people just cannot realize how fast this spreads and changes everything and then it is too late

thinkfat:

--- Quote from: nctnico on April 02, 2020, 11:27:33 am ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on April 02, 2020, 06:08:02 am ---in order to realize how fast this thing gets out of control just take into account what is happening in Germany.
Such low (apparent and provisional) death rate looked so strange that lots of magazines and newspapers wrote that Italy had screwed up the statistics.

Well, in Germany just ten days ago deaths/know-cases rate was 0.38%
yesterday it had got up to 1.1%
this morning we already are at 1.2%

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This says nothing beyond the number of people they are testing in Germany. Maybe test materials start to run low and they only test people with clear symptoms. In the Netherlands ('our' worst hit area is next to the worst hit area in Germany) the cases versus death is 8.6%.

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Indeed. We've almost reached capacity of testing by now. I don't think we can go beyond 200k/week in the near future, even when politicians say we need to. Not enough supply for making test kits. Myself, still in isolation for being in a room with an infected person, wasn't tested. I doubt I caught it. Symptoms were almost unnoticeable.

The CFR depends a lot not only on number of tests but also on who you test. If you test only those with severe symptoms, naturally CFR is high. Up to now we've tested even patients with mild or no symptoms, to prevent spread by early isolation. With social distancing in place and (potentially) everyone being required to wear "masks", maybe the spread can be controlled without the massive testing effort.

not1xor1:

--- Quote from: thinkfat on April 02, 2020, 07:26:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 02, 2020, 11:27:33 am ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on April 02, 2020, 06:08:02 am ---in order to realize how fast this thing gets out of control just take into account what is happening in Germany.
Such low (apparent and provisional) death rate looked so strange that lots of magazines and newspapers wrote that Italy had screwed up the statistics.

Well, in Germany just ten days ago deaths/know-cases rate was 0.38%
yesterday it had got up to 1.1%
this morning we already are at 1.2%

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This says nothing beyond the number of people they are testing in Germany. Maybe test materials start to run low and they only test people with clear symptoms. In the Netherlands ('our' worst hit area is next to the worst hit area in Germany) the cases versus death is 8.6%.

--- End quote ---

Indeed. We've almost reached capacity of testing by now. I don't think we can go beyond 200k/week in the near future, even when politicians say we need to. Not enough supply for making test kits. Myself, still in isolation for being in a room with an infected person, wasn't tested. I doubt I caught it. Symptoms were almost unnoticeable.

The CFR depends a lot not only on number of tests but also on who you test. If you test only those with severe symptoms, naturally CFR is high. Up to now we've tested even patients with mild or no symptoms, to prevent spread by early isolation. With social distancing in place and (potentially) everyone being required to wear "masks", maybe the spread can be controlled without the massive testing effort.

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after 13-14 hours it's already at 1.3%: (https://virusncov.com/)
in any case I wish both of you a prompt recovery (and with the mildest of the symptoms)  :-+

vodka:

--- Quote from: blueskull on April 02, 2020, 05:01:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: vodka on April 02, 2020, 04:20:41 pm ---I believe(hypotesis) that the covid  was released by the chinese goverment or by  a faction of the Chinese  Comunist Party versus Xi Jinping.

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For what? Two months of the world's second largest economy going on pause costed immeasurable amount of money. So far, in terms of direct and indirect cost for fighting this virus, China is on top of the top spender list.


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For what?  For dominating the world without doing another World War,without destroyed  infrastructers and industries.  How? Using the arrogance of the West? What used the China?

1: I suppose that they release the bug  for causing Attrition warfare . Reason: The chinese are more prepared(They have more experienced in SARS) and their economy is more solid than the west countries.
2 All the world stock market crashes ,incluide the china. China waits the  west speculators fall in trap. And China "pone una pica en Flandes*" get the 30% of  all western companies.
3. The bug invade USA and their economy fall, Donald Trump has less options to be re-elected. China achieve  to avoid another "trade war" with USA(Really,that is possible).

Literaly, the chinese plan is Machiavellian
 

*Poner una pica en Flandes: perform an action very hardest ,besides to be  a landmark.

tautech:

--- Quote from: vodka on April 02, 2020, 07:45:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on April 02, 2020, 05:01:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: vodka on April 02, 2020, 04:20:41 pm ---I believe(hypotesis) that the covid  was released by the chinese goverment or by  a faction of the Chinese  Comunist Party versus Xi Jinping.

--- End quote ---

For what? Two months of the world's second largest economy going on pause costed immeasurable amount of money. So far, in terms of direct and indirect cost for fighting this virus, China is on top of the top spender list.


--- End quote ---

For what?  For dominating the world without doing another World War,without destroyed  infrastructers and industries.  How? Using the arrogance of the West? What used the China?

1: I suppose that they release the bug  for causing Attrition warfare . Reason: The chinese are more prepared(They have more experienced in SARS) and their economy is more solid than the west countries.
2 All the world stock market crashes ,incluide the china. China waits the  west speculators fall in trap. And China "pone una pica en Flandes*" get the 30% of  all western companies.
3. The bug invade USA and their economy fall, Donald Trump has less options to be re-elected. China achieve  to avoid another "trade war" with USA(Really,that is possible).

Literaly, the chinese plan is Machiavellian
 

*Poner una pica en Flandes: perform an action very hardest ,besides to be  a landmark.

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