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Covid 19 virus
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 03, 2020, 01:43:03 pm ---What about let the "virus party" idiots be beta testers of the vaccine in exchange for getting permission to party? (Note that it is voluntary - they have the option to not get the vaccine and discontinue partying.) While we're at it, let's use prisoners as alpha testers in exchange for time off their sentences.
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Medical experiments on prisoners who can't freely give informed consent? Not exactly a morally sound idea. I think somebody needs to read a history book or two.
How about we leave human medical experimentation to only happening on genuine volunteers who have been told the risks and volunteer out of a desire to help their fellow man?
BravoV:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 01:44:31 pm ---
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--- Quote from: DrG on April 03, 2020, 01:29:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BravoV on April 03, 2020, 12:52:12 pm ---Interesting statistics by countries due to Corvid19 collected by Google.
-》 https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
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They drill down to local levels even, e.g., US State and County. Really interesting and potentially valuable for providing measures of NPI, especially with the pre and post data. Modellers bonanza I would think.
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Really curious how details and in depth of the population data, that Google owns right now.
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Completely unsurprising seeing as it has been demonstrated that you can in practice fool Google into thinking there's a traffic jam just by walking a small trolley full of Android phones around the streets of Berlin.
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That was like a drop of water in the ocean.
Also looking at the vast data collected just recently in corvid19 mode, don't believe there are fools are trying to prank Google data, that will needs a really serious resources to make it matter in the statistics gathered.
MT:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 01:53:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 03, 2020, 01:43:03 pm ---What about let the "virus party" idiots be beta testers of the vaccine in exchange for getting permission to party? (Note that it is voluntary - they have the option to not get the vaccine and discontinue partying.) While we're at it, let's use prisoners as alpha testers in exchange for time off their sentences.
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Medical experiments on prisoners who can't freely give informed consent? Not exactly a morally sound idea. I think somebody needs to read a history book or two.
How about we leave human medical experimentation to only happening on genuine volunteers who have been told the risks and volunteer out of a desire to help their fellow man?
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Oh no problem, have been done in UK, e.g Theralizumab/TGN1412 scandal a phase 1 clinical trials conducted by Parexel at Northwick Park and St. Mark's Hospital, London, on 13 March 2006. Healthy volunteers recruited to the study given £2,000. Trial resulted in intensive care hospitalization of all six volunteers who got the drug, four of whom suffered multiple organ dysfunctions and some lost lims and almost death.
Or like the svine flue scandal in Sweden due to Glaxo Smith garbage experimental drug causing youngsters insomnia decease
for life, cost gov(tax payers of course as usual) 10 million in damages.
I hope folks takes Bill Gates vaccine he now tries to make obligatorily for the entire planet, of course made at his bio labs!
Interesting how quickly people forgets about prior scandals in these times of "pro vaccination choirs" like Denmark who some weeks ago without any evidence at all for anything just slammed through a compulsory vaccination law , if you refuse go to jail! Hail NWO TECHNOCRACY id say.
Ah, and then we have his royal majesty Duterte shoot to kill order!
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/04/philippines-president-duterte-shoot-to-kill-order-pandemic/
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: MT on April 03, 2020, 03:08:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 01:53:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 03, 2020, 01:43:03 pm ---What about let the "virus party" idiots be beta testers of the vaccine in exchange for getting permission to party? (Note that it is voluntary - they have the option to not get the vaccine and discontinue partying.) While we're at it, let's use prisoners as alpha testers in exchange for time off their sentences.
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Medical experiments on prisoners who can't freely give informed consent? Not exactly a morally sound idea. I think somebody needs to read a history book or two.
How about we leave human medical experimentation to only happening on genuine volunteers who have been told the risks and volunteer out of a desire to help their fellow man?
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Oh no problem, have been done in UK, e.g Theralizumab/TGN1412 scandal a phase 1 clinical trials conducted by Parexel at Northwick Park and St. Mark's Hospital, London, on 13 March 2006. Healthy volunteers recruited to the study given £2,000. Trial resulted in intensive care hospitalization of all six volunteers who got the drug, four of whom suffered multiple organ dysfunctions and some lost lims and almost death.
Or like the svine flue scandal in Sweden due to Glaxo Smith garbage experimental drug causing youngsters insomnia decease
for life, cost gov(tax payers of course as usual) 10 million in damages.
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Yeah? And exactly how many of these were prisoners when they volunteered? None.
What's your point, that drug trials sometimes have adverse outcomes? Well apart from the obvious "Yeah, we kind of all knew that." reaction, it is exactly because drug trials have risks that it is not ethically or morally acceptable to get people to participate in them on any basis other than fully informed consent, freely given.
hwj-d:
I am curious how long my posting here is uncensored to be seen.
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