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Covid 19 virus
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 01:53:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 03, 2020, 01:43:03 pm ---What about let the "virus party" idiots be beta testers of the vaccine in exchange for getting permission to party? (Note that it is voluntary - they have the option to not get the vaccine and discontinue partying.) While we're at it, let's use prisoners as alpha testers in exchange for time off their sentences.
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Medical experiments on prisoners who can't freely give informed consent? Not exactly a morally sound idea. I think somebody needs to read a history book or two.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment
Siwastaja:
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/
This way of presenting the statistics helps visualize the deflection point.
(With that, countries can't be compared at the relative point where the deflection happens, because the axes show absolute cases, not cases per population, so small countries appear to more left than larger countries. Yet, you can easily visualize the deflection point, and also see the changes in testing procedures (sudden jump downward, then back to the original slope.)
not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 04:31:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on April 03, 2020, 04:13:00 pm ---Sadly, when we created a functional society we turned our backs on natural selection and the idiots get to reproduce!
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Well, perhaps god in her infinite wisdom has sent us a virus designed to wipe out whole families that don't believe in it as a spot of supernatural selection. :)
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and god created a virus out of its image and likeness >:D
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: Simon on April 03, 2020, 07:22:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 06:11:04 pm ---That's worryingly difficult to differentiate from a police state. Understandable at the moment, but it does give one pause for thought.
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stupid people need stupid measures....
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Indeed they do. Just as long as when the emergency is over 'wise' men don't decide to hang onto the apparatus of mass control to deal with all the 'stupid' people who disagree with them about something.
A guy I know who does security research at Cambridge has a good phrase "social hygiene" meaning that society shouldn't leave anything lying around that could 'go bad' and poison society e.g. wholesale surveillance mechanisms that are legitimately needed to cope with some genuine emergency ought to be conspicuously dismantled once the emergency is over, not merely mothballed and left lying around waiting for some proto-despot to abuse them. There's a historical record of apparently innocuous stuff that has become poison in the wrong hands (e.g. Holland's records of citizens' religion, which took on a totally different flavour in light of the Nazi invasion of May 1940). In the same vein there's the well observed 'ratchet effect' where regulations for emergencies don't disappear after the emergency (e.g. Britain's pub opening hours restrictions and the Official Secrets Act were both 'temporary' WWI measures that are still with us over 100 years later.).
2N3055:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on April 03, 2020, 07:28:23 pm --- If you don't want people to take what you say as nationalistic, the best approach would be to not prefix it with a remark that prima facia appears to be nationalistic.
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Fair enough! But still, you reacted a bit sensitive.. I'm sorry you read it that way, it't wasn't my intention to counterattack.
I personally very much dislike nationalism, being firsthand witness of all the suffering it creates....
All the best..
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