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pipe2null:
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--- Quote from: Bud on April 03, 2020, 11:47:28 pm ---Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html
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America first, don“t you know ? ;)
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We ARE #1 in the whole freakin world! For confirmed cases. And we are leaving y'all in the dust! :palm:
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Make America .. virulent again?
Well done I suppose! :-+ :-//
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Hah! Yea, that's the kind of dark and sarcastic humor I was going for. When thing are looking bleak, my humor tends to take a downward spiral. Perhaps I should "socially distance" myself online too?!? Eh... Probably not...
PlainName:
--- Quote ---look into the analysis of Amazing Polly
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Don't have time or the willpower to sit through multiple half-hour videos. If they have something important or useful to say then write it down. If they can't be arsed to do that, because videos are easy, it's not worth my time either.
Having got that out of the way, we need to be careful we don't confuse effect with cause. For instance, our privacy is being massively eroded in the name of tracing infections. On the one had that's a good use of information, but on the other it's a very slippery slope. At the end (if there is an end!) it's likely that most of these privacy invasions will have become the norm and will stick around. Some of these emergency laws won't be repealed, etc. All our governments have lots of form for doing that, but what they are doing is taking advantage of a situation. That is not just believable it's provable (at least, previous form is and why should this be different). But have the governments engineered the situation to allow them to bring in these laws? No, that's not very believable.
Similarly, I have no doubt that some psychopathic (or borderline - you really need to be that way to get on) politician will see the old and sick being decimated and mentally shrug, see the silver lining, so to speak. I really very much doubt that any of them would take whoever aside and whisper "Eh, could be a good time to not try too hard to save the old ones, you know." Your Polly would seem to go with the latter rather than the former, and I think most rational people would consider that an invalid interpretation for the USA.
DrG:
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 04, 2020, 01:39:19 am ---For instance, our privacy is being massively eroded in the name of tracing infections. On the one had that's a good use of information, but on the other it's a very slippery slope. At the end (if there is an end!) it's likely that most of these privacy invasions will have become the norm and will stick around. Some of these emergency laws won't be repealed, etc. All our governments have lots of form for doing that, but what they are doing is taking advantage of a situation.
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I mentioned my pessimistic fear of this in several posts, and I agree with you here. Some people (I don't blame them!) are trying to see the positive in all this and how it could change things for the better in the end - I unfortunately have little hope of that.
As I said earlier, just like what happened with our fight against terrorism, it's extremely likely that our privacy AND freedom are going to be severely eroded for quite a while (in the optimistic scenario), and possibly for a very long time otherwise.
hwj-d:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 04, 2020, 01:31:29 am ---I don't see how a personal experience should make a difference, however sad it is. It would sure bias your own perception of reality, but unfortunately, the severity of a pandemic is just judged by numbers... Hard facts.
Anyway.
I really have heard of mixed opinions from serious people in the medical field so far. I admit I absolutely don't know what to think at the moment. Not that it even makes a difference anyway, as we have no choice but follow the orders of our governments and be reasonably cautious otherwise.
Some specialists seem to think we are overreacting, some clearly state that we are not doing enough. In both camps, many are saying we aren't doing things right at the moment though, so there seems to be a small sad consensus on this, while we are pedalling to get it over with. It's also sad to see that we seem to kindly ignore what those that "succeeded" (relatively) did, and what they are currently suggesting us, while our figures keep growing despite the confinement.
One thing that is factually frightening about this virus is not necessarily the numbers in the end, but how the victims' life ends when they are the unlucky ones. Respiratory infections are always awful when they get bad, but this one can get REALLY bad - people basically end up "drowning" in their own fluids. Atrocious way of ending your life.
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True words.
But it makes a difference to want to assess the fate of individuals, which you can't actually do especially if you are affected yourself, or have to analyse the facts of the pandemic.
Whoever interweaves these views with each other is unlikely to be able to cope with the analysis of the overall situation. As hard as this may sound for the individual, especially for those who seem to have a case in their family or circle of acquaintances.
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