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Covid 19 virus
donotdespisethesnake:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 12, 2020, 07:04:53 pm ---By May the virus should be weaker, as shown in studies regarding the SARS virus,
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So "should be weaker" according to studies of a different virus. You can play semantics all you like, doesn't change anything.
Sorry, but the meme that "the virus will reduce by itself in time" is just bullshit, people are just using it to justify not doing anything. The only reduction effects will be herd immunity, when sufficient people have been infected.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 13, 2020, 11:57:20 am ---The Greek Orthodox church say that taking the communion wine from the same common spoon won't spread the virus... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51819117. Is this God's protection of the faithful, or the 13% ethanol content of the wine preventing spread of the virus?
This raises another question: Would having a nip of grappa or whisky (both very high in ethanol content) be a good backup as well as washing hands with hand sanitiser after eating take-away food or restaurant food prepared by someone with corona virus? It is known ethanol kills this virus in its tracks. Could a glass of wine after each meal sanitise the mouth, the gullet and maybe even the stomach contents?
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Do we really need an excuse for a glass of wine etc. ?? ;D
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 13, 2020, 11:57:20 am ---The Greek Orthodox church say that taking the communion wine from the same common spoon won't spread the virus... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51819117. Is this God's protection of the faithful, or the 13% ethanol content of the wine preventing spread of the virus?
This raises another question: Would having a nip of grappa or whisky (both very high in ethanol content) be a good backup as well as washing hands with hand sanitiser after eating take-away food or restaurant food prepared by someone with corona virus? It is known ethanol kills this virus in its tracks. Could a glass of wine after each meal sanitise the mouth, the gullet and maybe even the stomach contents?
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No. The infection route for this is mucosal, so if you wanted to sterilise food as you ate it you'd need to be swilling overproof rum with every mouthful. The accumulated hangovers would be worse than the disease symptoms for most people. Food's pretty sanitary for the most part. Anything that is over 70ÂșC for a few minutes is going to kill most bacteria and viruses, those that don't get killed by cooking tend not to survive the 1.5 - 3.5 pH HCl in your stomach. It's hard to get an infection of any kind from food. Most food poisoning is that, poisoning by excreted toxins from bacteria when previously cooked food isn't re-heated for hot enough and long enough to denature the toxins (which tend to be proteinaceous in nature).
The kind of alcohol concentration needed to be an effective biocide is over 50% by volume, ideally 70%. Wine most certainly won't cut it, nor fortified wines, and most spirits at 40% by volume are going to be at best partially effective.
So, as far as partakers in communion wine and wafers being in the clear from cross-infection, to quote Robert Heinlein, think of it as evolution in action.
Simon:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 13, 2020, 11:57:20 am ---
This raises another question: Would having a nip of grappa or whisky (both very high in ethanol content) be a good backup as well as washing hands with hand sanitiser after eating take-away food or restaurant food prepared by someone with corona virus? It is known ethanol kills this virus in its tracks. Could a glass of wine after each meal sanitise the mouth, the gullet and maybe even the stomach contents?
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Err, no. It does not work like that. If the virus enters a mucus part of your body it's in your body, not your gut. Your gut is also one of the harshest chemical environments known to man.
thinkfat:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 11, 2020, 06:58:20 pm ---[...] by May it the virus should be much weaker.
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Recent studies suggest otherwise. In fact experts over here expect the climax in infections by June/July, in high summer. Hence all effort right now concentrates on slowing down the spread to a rate that can be handled by our medical system.
The consensus seems to be that the case fatality will be quite low if we manage to not overflow the intensive care capabilities. If you look at China, the high fatality numbers are dominated by Hubei province, where especially in Wuhan the intensive care capacities were overwhelmed. In the rest of China, the case fatality rate was much lower.
In Germany right now we have over 3000 reported cases and 7 deaths (0.2%) but that's overly optimistic right now, IMHO. Let's see how the numbers develop in the coming two weeks, we know that fatality trails reported by about two weeks.
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