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donotdespisethesnake:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: vad on March 14, 2020, 09:49:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 09:21:52 pm ---That's not a theory, that's how life usually works.

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The keyword here is “usually”.

If the host infects other people long before the virus kills the host (and even before the host feels any symptoms, forcing him/her into isolation), then a less deadly strain will not have evolutionary advantage over the original strain.

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evolution doesn't work that way, even a bit better is enough

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I've no idea why you are doing so much hand waving over this, you agree with the premise that doing nothing is stupid. We have to act now, not take chances.
 
There is still ZERO proof for your assertion. Please just give up with the guesswork. Admit you have no proof. We will only find out with hindsight.


not1xor1:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on March 14, 2020, 10:10:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: vad on March 14, 2020, 09:49:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 09:21:52 pm ---That's not a theory, that's how life usually works.

--- End quote ---
The keyword here is “usually”.

If the host infects other people long before the virus kills the host (and even before the host feels any symptoms, forcing him/her into isolation), then a less deadly strain will not have evolutionary advantage over the original strain.

--- End quote ---

evolution doesn't work that way, even a bit better is enough

--- End quote ---

I've no idea why you are doing so much hand waving over this, you agree with the premise that doing nothing is stupid. We have to act now, not take chances.
 
There is still ZERO proof for your assertion. Please just give up with the guesswork. Admit you have no proof. We will only find out with hindsight.

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I was just dealing with the biology of viruses and if you ever mind to read any scientific paper you can find confirmation for what I wrote (even regarding the effect of A/C - I might even find the link of that study...).

Dealing with the current disease is a different matter and I fully support WHO guidelines (I added more details to my previous message).
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: imo on March 14, 2020, 09:53:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 09:21:52 pm ---That's not a theory, that's how life usually works.
AFAIK COVID-19 spread so much not because of the long spreading time before evident symptoms, but because many people did not have any noticeable symptoms or just thought they got ordinary flue.

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Sure. The real number of infected today is 20-100x higher than reported in TV or on the web as "confirmed positive" (155k "confirmed" as of today - that number is about those "tested positive" only, it is NOT about "really infected").
Any expert will tell you the real numbers you will get only after the pandemic finishes. The authorities will provide a world-wide population sampling (of cov19 antibodies in the blood serum) and based on that you'll get the number of "infected". My bet is the fatality ratio will be lower than with flu (FR=deaths/infected).

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yes the positive numbers we see today are those who got infected (on average) 5,1 days ago and besides them there are those who didn't show any symptoms, but fatality ratio will be much higher than flue because unlike flue we have no immunity against COVID-19.

Given the same conditions, e.g. on Andaman Islands people, who have never been exposed either to flue or COVID-19 viruses, flue might be more lethal (or might not), but for the vast majority of people in the world it is the other way.
Electro Detective:
What's the EEVblog member body count so far?   :popcorn:

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iMo:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 14, 2020, 11:01:55 pm ---Given the same conditions, e.g. on Andaman Islands people, who have never been exposed either to flue or COVID-19 viruses, flue might be more lethal (or might not), but for the vast majority of people in the world it is the other way.
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Good example. And that is exactly what we want to know - the FR for flu vs. covid19 under your assumption above.
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