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| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: imo on March 15, 2020, 02:33:15 pm ---Finland may close their borders anytime, as they wish. There cannot be such a law which forbids that. An EU country still may decide on its borders even it is a part of Schengen Area (26 countries incl. Finland). --- End quote --- Yes, I agree. However, the reason why Finland hasn't instated even spot health checks, or tracked people who came from the infection hotspot, is as I explained above. It skirts dangerously close to political discussion, but my point is, Finland is hurting in this pandemic because of really odd politics. |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: imo on March 15, 2020, 02:33:15 pm ---Finland may close their borders anytime, as they wish. There cannot be such a law which forbids that. An EU country still may decide on its borders even it is a part of Schengen Area (26 countries incl. Finland). --- End quote --- The government could legally do that, but the current government seems to be preoccupied on giving public statements that sound like they are still talking from the opposition to their voters, instead of understanding they are the ones leading now. Instead of taking any action, there is a lot of talk about far-away goals. And a lot of lying that they "can't" do something when it's matter of not wanting to do it; even if it's something that's rational, and have the people's support behind. Actually, the current government has the habit to dismiss any legal options by lying about any action being "against international agreements", of course never specifying which mystical agreement they refer to. Further, the government has the option to change laws (including withdrawing from any international agreement); that's what they technically exist for. But this isn't understood here, neither by the government itself, or the media. The number of infections went down today here, due to the new policy of practically next to no testing. It's not necessarily a bad idea to decide not to test - but then it needs to be clearly stated that the situation is not under control, as it's unknown how many infections we have. |
| Nominal Animal:
Off topic story and joke time. The reason there is no "Finnish Supremacy" movement is that the entire idea is utterly absurd to even the most ardent fennophile. (Even the "Soldiers of Odin" and the banned "Nordic Resistance Movement" here are nordic, inclusive of Swedes and Norwegians and Danes, not fennocentric. The closest thing that comes to it is the Greater Finland meme. The actual movement is basically about cultural preservation among Finnic peoples. The map meme is absurdist, related to Help Helper, Spurdo Spärde, and so on.) An old joke describes the typical Finnish mentality to the teeth: An American, a German, a Swede, and a Finn are on a safari in Africa. They come across a big elephant, with huge tusks. The American thinks, "If I could get that in a zoo in America, I'd be a millionaire within a year!" The German thinks, "The sheer amount of power in that animal! If I could tame it, I could build a bridge in a day!" The Swede thinks, "Just think of the number of likes I'd get on instagram if I could get a selfie with her on the background!" The Finn thinks, "I wonder what that elephant thinks of me." If you walk around in Finland, and see a Finn looking at you with their brow furrowed, there is a 90% chance they are wondering what you think of them. They don't speak to you first, because they are ashamed of their accent, and don't want to bother you. The 10% chance is that they just have a resting bitch face, and weren't actually looking at you. I'm not kidding here, by the way. Younger folks in cities are much more social (I blame social media), but in general, the above applies. |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: imo on March 15, 2020, 02:16:43 pm --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 15, 2020, 01:37:04 pm ---.. our government has categorically stated it is impossible: they are bound by law to not do that, that they do not have the legal right to reinstate border controls. .. --- End quote --- Is it a Finnish law or an EU law? EU countries like Czechia, Slovakia, Poland have closed their borders without any problems. --- End quote --- Lying and manipulation doesn't need to follow such logic. This is of course sad from the health of democracy viewpoint... |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 15, 2020, 02:56:14 pm ---Off topic story and joke time. The reason there is no "Finnish Supremacy" movement is that the entire idea is utterly absurd to even the most ardent fennophile. --- End quote --- I have visited Finland (Helsinki) several times for work. One of the Finnish people told me that Finland is the land of lost wars. Still there is quite a bit to be proud of for the people of Finland. Just start with Nokia. |
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