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Covid 19 virus
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 16, 2020, 05:39:40 pm ---https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
Probably not a cheap solution but at least here in the US most insurers are saying they'll cover all associated treatment for the virus.
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Read about the James Cai case here https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-previously-healthy-clinician-now-critically-ill-with-covid-19.htmland also look at the follow up. James was treated with the same two drugs and he credits them and the Chinese researchers who recommended them with saving his life. For the ones of you that continue to think that this virus is no worse than the annual flu virus, James was a young healthy man with no medical conditions but Corona virus almost killed him.
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 16, 2020, 06:01:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 16, 2020, 05:39:40 pm ---https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
Probably not a cheap solution but at least here in the US most insurers are saying they'll cover all associated treatment for the virus.
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Read about the James Cai case here https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-previously-healthy-clinician-now-critically-ill-with-covid-19.htmland also look at the follow up. James was treated with the same two drugs and he credits them and the Chinese researchers who recommended them with saving his life. For the ones of you that continue to think that this virus is no worse than the annual flu virus, James was a young healthy man with no medical conditions but Corona virus almost killed him.
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I've seen stories from other doctors who were telling people to be no more afraid of it than the flu and then they started dealing with it and changed their minds. They didn't even have to get it themselves.
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 16, 2020, 05:46:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on March 16, 2020, 05:39:40 pm ---https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
Probably not a cheap solution but at least here in the US most insurers are saying they'll cover all associated treatment for the virus.
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From that article:
--- Quote ---University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes.
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In vitro and in vivo are two very different things. It could easily fall at the first hurdle. Just because the drugs work in a test tube is no guarantee that they will have any effect in a real living host. The good news is that they are both active, approved drugs with known safety profiles - it would seem there is no significant barrier to going ahead with a clinical trial with extreme speed. Who knows, they may get lucky.
Oh, and the named one of the two drugs, chloroquine, is as cheap as chips (unless you're in the US where all drugs cost many more times more than they do in the rest of the world).
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Yea, that's why they want to start a trial. It'd be better to have a vaccine but this could be a good intermediate step. The reason I don't think it'll be cheap has nothing to do with current costs but costs if they need to ramp up production. I haven't researched the drugs uses outside of HIV(other than one being an anti viral) but if they're not used widely otherwise you'd be supply constrained so the price would go up with those who have the money likely being able to get it first. Especially with this being all over the world.
Kjelt:
For the first time since 1973 our PM addressed the country.
The strategy is to isolate as much as possible the elderlyand vulnerable till its over. The rest of the population should over time get the virus in a natural way, so they get immune after they recovered so they don't pose a thread anymore after a certain period of time.
vad:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on March 16, 2020, 04:03:17 pm ---In this case, if you are <50, the best strategy is to get the disease early as possible. You have a low risk of dying, and you get access to medical resources before they are overwhelmed.
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This is not your normal queue for toilet paper, where whoever first reaches the aisle is rewarded with truckload of TP, while the others are rewarded with empty shelves.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: Sredni on March 16, 2020, 06:46:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on March 16, 2020, 04:03:17 pm ---In this case, if you are <50, the best strategy is to get the disease early as possible. You have a low risk of dying, and you get access to medical resources before they are overwhelmed.
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Actuall, this is a good strategy to overwhelm medical resources and further reduce the probability of a favourable outcome for the elders.
Still, the best strategy if your philosophy is "screw everybody else, I am the only one who counts".
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Yes, and this is a good textbook example of a case where a state-held system for controlled violence, administred by the police and military, is used for an important purpose, to force such people to take others into consideration.
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