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flyte:
Reporting something from Europe, Belgium.

Well people, it's a mess.

It is an illusion to think you won't get infected by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. You will get it, by a chance of maybe 70%, eventually, because it's everywhere. You may escape infection for now by complete isolation, wearing masks, hand cleaning or mainly being lucky, but you likely won't escape it over time because it will be around for a long time. Experts all agree on it. There is no immunity and it's many times more deadly and contagious than flu. What worse cocktail of bad factors would you need?

The import thing is staying at home as instructed, disinfecting/washing your hands, keeping distance, no kissing or handshakes. The only purpose of it, is to make sure there is no overload on the hospital system and lack of medical supplies, and the infection rate slows down. If the infection rate is very high, it's good for rapid immunity across the population but very bad for society as doctors will have to face cruel choices over who can be helped and live, and who can't because there is no room or equipment. In Italy, it got out of control this way.

I would like to get this message out, especially to the Americas as the wave is coming there now. Only strict observation of the measures put in place will save lives. Over here, people only realized the seriousness of it in recent days. Before, it was more of "it won't happen to me", "I've got important business to do", "it's a joke" and "let's get infected we don't care". It's only when emergency doctors started making dramatic statements in the media of how bad this really was and that it did not only apply to elderly people, even going as far as showing lung CT scans of critically ill young persons, that people started to take notice and shut down the jokes and soften "their priorities". Also, politicians didn't do a very good job, navigating between incompetence, scientific ignorance, pleasing the electorate and taking unpopular measures. They wasted precious time.

Yesterday in the news, an emergency doctor here said something really interesting. He said they're always seeing the same pattern of people coming in: they had some moderate flu for a week at home, then it went away for two days making them think all is good, and then they show up at the emergency department, just walking in not too ill-looking, complaining about dry cough and shortness of breath. When they then take a CT-scan, they see their lungs are very critically affected by the virus due to infectuous liquid build-up and conglomeration, eventually building up scar tissue in the lungs. He said: these people are critically ill, but they just don't know it yet. They are in a life-threatening situation. He also said the age range of people currently in intensive care was 30 to 50, and that many of the patients were healthy and fit individuals with no medical background!

In Belgium, we're two steps away from a total lock-down, and luckily everyone seems to get it, for now. Schools closed, teleworking, no physical contact, etc.

Wishing you all the best and strength.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: -gb- on March 17, 2020, 03:00:43 pm ---
--- Quote ---Cerebus already described in detail why generic / self made masks don't work at all.
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They do work, but they do NOT protect you if you are not infected. They protect everyone else if you are infected and wear the mask.

with corona many people do not know they are infected because they
a) are in incubation time
b) have a very mild corona
c) think it's the flu. here in europe where it's winter.

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FFS Just listen to the experts and don't think you know better. False information and conspiracy theories are the last thing we need right now. If there is one time in your life to STFU and do as being told it is now.

DBecker:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 09:14:08 am ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 16, 2020, 11:51:53 am ---It's not like the virus is automatically oozing out of every pore of the dog. If it's just in certain organs or in the blood stream, that's nothing you'd usually get in contact to. If it's in a dogs' saliva, that'd be something else.

--- End quote ---

SARS and COVID-19 are also transmitted via feces...
I've non idea why, but AFAIK nobody observed pet-to-human transmission

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From what I've read covid-19 is *not* transmitted by feces.
Do you have a credible study that states differently?

There are many other nasty things that are spread with feces, but this isn't one of them.

This virus is fairly fragile.  It's easily destroyed by sunlight, alcohol solutions, active chlorine compounds, heat, and everyday disinfectants.  It remains viable only minutes or hours on surfaces.

It readily spreads by direct personal contact and aerosol spit.  That should be the major concern.

flyte:

--- Quote from: DBecker on March 17, 2020, 04:47:18 pm ---This virus is fairly fragile.  It's easily destroyed by sunlight, alcohol solutions, active chlorine compounds, heat, and everyday disinfectants.  It remains viable only minutes or hours on surfaces.

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It does not matter. As far as I've heard from medics, it is very very very contagious. More than flu, which is already pretty bad. Like I said, it's safe to say you won't be able to avoid it, eventually. With protection and hygiene measures, whilst absolutely useful and important, you will just slow infection rate down. And that's the current objective to save lives, i.e. to make sure hospitals can cope with the flood of cases. Btw, I've read tests have shown the virus can survive for days on stainless steel or plastic. Not sure how to avoid these materials in our current daily life.

vodka:
Here, a week ago, all the regim slut "Journalist"  laughed ,mocked , and joked of the coronavirus and of people began to worry by the pandemia.

Today , a week  after , almost 12000 infected , 510 deaths and the economy destroyed.   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Here, this video.

https://www.dolcacatalunya.com/2020/03/asi-se-reian-del-coronavirus-los-telepredicadores-del-regimen/

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