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Covid 19 virus
TerminalJack505:
--- Quote from: Bud on March 17, 2020, 03:12:16 pm ---When things go hairy, the last thing people should be doing is listening to "advice from the experts".
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Personally, I think the "experts" are likely saying what they are about face masks for one of two reasons: 1) they are simply parroting what the other "experts" are saying ("peak oil!") 2) they are trying to prevent non-medical persons from depleting the supply.
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on March 17, 2020, 01:12:12 pm ---
MY MAIN reason for commenting here though, is that I'm sure I've missed a lot of points in the last 17 pages, but WHY was/is Italy hit so hard??? It seems disproportionate regarding the vast number of deaths there, compared to the rest of the world?? Were they totally UN-prepared, didn't take it serious, didn't have the resources??? I don't understand!!
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Italy was hit hard because they didn't quarantine the first two cases that they found back in early February. Around the 2nd they had two Chinese tourists that were sick and were hospitalized but they allowed them to continue of their tour of the country and to go on a cruise. Weeks later when Italians started getting sick, the authorities started finally started some very limited quarantines but by then hundreds of people all over Italy were infected as well as numerous people in the surrounding countries and some had traveled back the US and to Canada. About one week later, the number of cases in Italy exploded. Then about a week after that, the number of cases in many of the surrounding countries also exploded.
I've been watching all of this unfold here <https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/> and in many local news reports.
Italy, the US and most other countries waited MUCH too long before they started quarantining people and before they shutdown the cruises and other densely populated events.
The thing that people need to get through their heads is that this virus is highly infectious days before the infected start feeling it and that the infected keep shedding it in their feces for at least a week (and probably much more) after they are clinically well. So it is VERY communicable. That's also why it was STUPID for the CDC to release those early patients at Lakeland AFB and to allow some of them to go hang out at the food court of the local mall in San Antonio. The other thing that people need to realize is that it barely affects many children and young people so they tend to go on with their normal activities BUT all the while they are exposing other people to it.
Go watch the video of the conference that took place in Boston back in late January. They medical folks there explained all of this WEEKS ago but were almost completely ignored.
<https://externalmediasite.partners.org/Mediasite/Play/45a9a74f18ec45deb338e00ac4cf4e281d>
-gb-:
--- Quote ---FFS Just listen to the experts and don't think you know better.
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Usually you are right. But here with Corona we, the western countrys do things very different from china and southkorea.
Regarding the masks, i would do what officials say, but there is exactly no official reason given why we shouldn't wear selfmade masks.
The official reasons are:
- there are not enough masks. yes, but this does not apply to selfmade masks.
- the mask does not protect you. yes, also right, but selfprotection is NOT the reason why i think that everyone should wear a mask.
It is, because if everyone has to wear a mask, then automatically everyone feeling fine but who is infected and transmitting is also wearing the mask. i havent either from politicians nor from media heard this thought. this is the reason why i am bringing it up here.
Here in europe and the US is wintertime, there are many people who cough and sneeze who don't wear the mask because it is flu-season. so they think it is flu but it might also be corona. they simply don't know. those people would wear a mask if wearing a mask was mandatory.
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: flyte on March 17, 2020, 04:36:09 pm ---Reporting something from Europe, Belgium.
Well people, it's a mess.
It is an illusion to think you won't get infected by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. You will get it, by a chance of maybe 70%, eventually, because it's everywhere. You may escape infection for now by complete isolation, wearing masks, hand cleaning or mainly being lucky, but you likely won't escape it over time because it will be around for a long time. Experts all agree on it. There is no immunity and it's many times more deadly and contagious than flu. What worse cocktail of bad factors would you need?
The import thing is staying at home as instructed, disinfecting/washing your hands, keeping distance, no kissing or handshakes. The only purpose of it, is to make sure there is no overload on the hospital system and lack of medical supplies, and the infection rate slows down. If the infection rate is very high, it's good for rapid immunity across the population but very bad for society as doctors will have to face cruel choices over who can be helped and live, and who can't because there is no room or equipment. In Italy, it got out of control this way.
I would like to get this message out, especially to the Americas as the wave is coming there now. Only strict observation of the measures put in place will save lives. Over here, people only realized the seriousness of it in recent days. Before, it was more of "it won't happen to me", "I've got important business to do", "it's a joke" and "let's get infected we don't care". It's only when emergency doctors started making dramatic statements in the media of how bad this really was and that it did not only apply to elderly people, even going as far as showing lung CT scans of critically ill young persons, that people started to take notice and shut down the jokes and soften "their priorities". Also, politicians didn't do a very good job, navigating between incompetence, scientific ignorance, pleasing the electorate and taking unpopular measures. They wasted precious time.
Yesterday in the news, an emergency doctor here said something really interesting. He said they're always seeing the same pattern of people coming in: they had some moderate flu for a week at home, then it went away for two days making them think all is good, and then they show up at the emergency department, just walking in not too ill-looking, complaining about dry cough and shortness of breath. When they then take a CT-scan, they see their lungs are very critically affected by the virus due to infectuous liquid build-up and conglomeration, eventually building up scar tissue in the lungs. He said: these people are critically ill, but they just don't know it yet. They are in a life-threatening situation. He also said the age range of people currently in intensive care was 30 to 50, and that many of the patients were healthy and fit individuals with no medical background!
In Belgium, we're two steps away from a total lock-down, and luckily everyone seems to get it, for now. Schools closed, teleworking, no physical contact, etc.
Wishing you all the best and strength.
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Good post, you covered the situation well. I can't believe that seemingly intelligent people in this forum and elsewhere continue to believe that this isn't extremely serious and still want to compare it the annual flu! Like the guy on here 13 days ago that told me that in Germany they only had 50 cases and that it wasn't anything for them to worry about. As of this morning, Germany has over 8,000 cases and has added 812 new cases in the last 24 hours.
FYI in my part of the US they just announced that they are extending all school closings to the end of the spring semester instead of just to the end of the spring break (announced only a few days ago). It's sort of obvious that they're trying to break the bad news us slowly and not all at once.
magic:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 17, 2020, 04:20:59 pm ---SARS-Covid-2 exhibits shortest half-lives on copper and cardboard. So by the time your PCB and its packaging get to you from China it's going to be safe. >:D
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Did anyone test soldermask and ESD foam? That's the important question ;)
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