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Stray Electron:

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--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 09:09:52 am ---
Unfortunately the infection numbers mean absolutely nothing because they solely rely on testing. In most parts of Europe the situation is so out of control that only people with severe symptoms get tested. Also a large number of people have such mild symptoms that they aren't tested at all. All in all the only real number you can use as a gauge to say anything meaningfull about the spreading of the Corona virus is the number of deaths.

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   The US is in the same situation.  The CDC bungled the early (NO) testing so we don't have any real numbers to go by EXCEPT the number of dead.  They've finally approved some states and a couple of private labs to do testing but I see that in my own state there are still 158 people AWAITING testing as of their last report.  That's significantly more than the total number of officially infected people at the time. However the CDC and the Florida State Health Department are no longer reporting any official numbers so that's a BAD sign.

   The administration said last week that they would have the capability of doing over 1,000,000 test per week by this week but I'm not seeing it. They are reporting higher number of officially infected cases but from everything that I can find out, the doctors and hospitals are still having to BATTLE the CDC to get an official tests performed and the back log for testing is in the hundreds in most, if not all, states.
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vodka:

--- Quote from: flyte on March 17, 2020, 05:55:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 17, 2020, 05:30:00 pm --- I can't believe that seemingly intelligent people in this forum and elsewhere continue to believe that this isn't extremely serious and still want to compare it the annual flu! Like the guy on here 13 days ago that told me that in Germany they only had 50 cases and that it wasn't anything for them to worry about.

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Well, that's an easy one to convince people.

Citing virologist Marc Van Ranst: What is the difference with the flu?

* it's more contagious
* it's more deadly
* there is no vaccine
* there is no antiviral medicine
* nobody has antigens, nobody is immune to it
Obviously, for 85% percent of the population this will be like a good flu, but if you're into that unlucky other 15% part, then you may get very ill, need intensive care like artificial coma and assisted respiration or possibly die. For a country like the US, that small unlucky 15% is about 50 million people. Now count how many free hospital beds there are, let alone specialized life saving equipment. Let that sink in.

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There aren' bed for all severe infected
There aren't doctors and nurses for replacing  to infected and deaths
There aren't mechanic breathing
There aren't safety material for avoiding to infect the medic personal.
There aren't test for coronavirus.

But we are the better healthy system of the world.
james_s:
The handling here is a mess. A gal I'm friends with who works in one of our offices in another state has been sick recently, the symptoms are different than Covid but she decided to get tested anyway. She ended up spending a couple hours in a waiting area full of sick people, most of whom had masks but not everyone did and several were coughing all over. They took her to another room for a swab and then sent her back to the waiting area, then 45 minutes later to a hallway to swab for some other disease then back to the waiting area. Now it's a matter of waiting to hear the results, but I suspect she did not have Covid going in but was almost certainly exposed to it in the hospital. This sort of thing really reinforces my thought that it is best to not go anywhere near a hospital unless I'm seriously ill and believe I have it already.
DrG:
Just released yesterday - report 16 March 2020 Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team

This is the UK "study" that you have, or will be reading about with mortality rates that will be making headlines.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Edit: I want to add that there is a reason that I put "study" in quotes. After my first reading, this is an intelligent modelling position to guide policy - and that is certainly my opinion. I just want to make sure that we understand that it is not a published and peer-reviewed study. I intentionally avoid headlining a few numbers and statements. I understand the TL;DR mindset, but the other side is - didn't read enough to understand more than the headline, bottom line, bullet, short version, 10-second sound bite. I mean no disrespect to anybody here - we are all more similar than dissimilar.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 17, 2020, 10:12:00 am ---Pensioners still cannot get basics at their supermarket. I just got back from our local supermarket. No toilet paper, no meat, no eggs, no pasta, no tissues, not nothing except junk food. The local chemist has run out of basic meds too. The supermarkets are out of control as is our government. Scott Morrison, our Prime Minister, triggered the panic by telling people to stock up.

The state government should impose limits and use the police to fine the hoarders. Better still, use batons on them. Another effective method might be to post on forum a photo of the face of their hoarders with their trolley of loot.

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that's crazy
we are the most affected country in the world at the moment (in China the epidemic is over or sort of) but apart form some medical and personal protection devices we have plenty of food, cleaning products, etc in the supermarkets

I even read US people are going to buy weapons like crazy ... I do not know if they are afraid somebody comes and steal their stock of toilet paper or if the pretend to kill the virus by shooting  :-DD
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