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not1xor1:

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--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on March 17, 2020, 01:12:12 pm ---MY MAIN reason for commenting here though, is that I'm sure I've missed a lot of points in the last 17 pages, but WHY was/is Italy hit so hard???  It seems disproportionate regarding the vast number of deaths there, compared to the rest of the world??  Were they totally UN-prepared, didn't take it serious, didn't have the resources???  I don't understand!!

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As far as I understand, Italy was taken by surprise. There were no tests in the beginning at all and they noticed the spread only from testing people who died of pneumonia, because they saw the number spiking.

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They also, apparently, have the oldest population in Europe.  The triaging of patients was no managed well, the hospitals over flowed and people who needed care could not get it.

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True, False, False

Bud:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 17, 2020, 07:10:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2020, 07:06:12 pm ---[...] influenza and coronaviruses are among the things we should be prepared for.  [...]

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There really should be portable equipment/resources at the EU level that can be flown in to hot spot areas to help quell outbreaks,  without each member country having to shoulder the cost of maintaining a high level of preparedness.   A perfect job for a shared institution like the EU.

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Has an emergency response plan even ever existed in EU? Does not seem to be so.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 07:08:25 pm ---BTW no mask protects you if you are so stupid to raise it to smoke a cigarette or to kiss somebody you do not see since long (you can't imagine how many idiots you can immediately spot when you get out)

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That's Italians for you! If this was spread by waving your hands around while you talk then you Italians would be right royally bangaxed!  :)

james_s:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 06:37:24 pm ---I even read US people are going to buy weapons like crazy ... I do not know if they are afraid somebody comes and steal their stock of toilet paper or if the pretend to kill the virus by shooting  :-DD

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Normally I would dismiss those guys who hoard guns and ammo as lunatics however watching this unfold makes them look not quite as crazy. I would not be hugely surprised if some areas start to have problems with groups of people going around robbing others of supplies or taking advantage of the quarantines and distractions keeping law enforcement busy to start looting businesses. Unfortunately there are always those who will take advantage of any situation to help themselves, we see it all the time, a natural disaster hits and people start looting stores, stealing TVs and computers and stuff like that which is obviously not essential. 

Stray Electron:

--- Quote from: DrG on March 17, 2020, 06:33:53 pm ---Just released yesterday - report 16 March 2020 Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team

This is the UK "study" that you have, or will be reading about with mortality rates that will be making headlines.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

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   Wow!  The onset of infectiousness is 12 hours to 4.6 days! That should set off alarm bells!

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