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| not1xor1:
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 17, 2020, 08:17:25 pm --- --- Quote from: Bud on March 17, 2020, 07:32:29 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 17, 2020, 07:10:54 pm --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2020, 07:06:12 pm ---[...] influenza and coronaviruses are among the things we should be prepared for. [...] --- End quote --- There really should be portable equipment/resources at the EU level that can be flown in to hot spot areas to help quell outbreaks, without each member country having to shoulder the cost of maintaining a high level of preparedness. A perfect job for a shared institution like the EU. --- End quote --- Has an emergency response plan even ever existed in EU? Does not seem to be so. --- End quote --- Even if such a plan existed it doesn't help because the EU as a whole is so densily populated that a problem quickly spreads across all countries. --- End quote --- the real problem is that there is European but no real Union. Recently an Italian importer managed to order a huge amount of breathing devices from China. Then when they arrived in Hamburg the German government seized them for their own usage. Surely we can't go on like that. |
| Martin72:
--- Quote ---Then when they arrived in Hamburg the German government seized them for their own usage. --- End quote --- Evidence please... |
| not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 17, 2020, 08:55:30 pm ---I hate people who quote me out of context. What was the last thing I wrote in the same very same post you're quoting just part of? --- Quote from: Cerebus on March 17, 2020, 02:38:09 pm ---Lastly, if you are infected, or have good reason to believe that you might be infected - stay at home, do not go out in public unless strictly necessary. The question of "mask or no mask" doesn't come into it if you've put a door and some distance between you and the rest of the world. --- End quote --- --- End quote --- I apologize, you're right I had missed that |
| not1xor1:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 17, 2020, 08:57:13 pm --- --- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 08:54:33 pm --- while COVID-19 has been detected in feces and tears besides that diarrhea is one of the known symptom (together with loss of taste and smell senses) --- End quote --- [Citation Required] --- End quote --- can't provide that as it is from an Italian newspaper reporting about a German study... I just read that a few hours ago probably other sources will publish that piece of news soon |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: rgarito on March 17, 2020, 10:07:46 pm ---Wouldnt surprise me. In fact, I'd be concerned about what they call "surge capacity." --- End quote --- Surge capacity typically means diverting critical care beds that would normally be reserved for planned operations that need CCU support (e.g. transplants, other major surgery with potential post-op complications) and (in the UK) putting CCU beds into use that have been mothballed due to lack of resources (e.g. staff) to keep them in regular use. CCU is very expensive to actively run, with a staff requirement of at least 1 per bed, 24 hours a day, thus it's not unusual for CCU resources to get mothballed if budgets get tight. On the other hand it means that these specialised beds are often sitting waiting for nothing more than a clean, stock check and staffing to be pressed into use - you don't have to wait to acquire equipment de novo. CCU beds are always in a perilous state as soon as anything goes wrong. My local hospital has 3-4 CCU beds and only expects to have 2-3 in use at any one time, that's only 33% spare capacity in a hospital with 340 regular beds. |
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