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thinkfat:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 10:17:07 pm ---the real problem is that there is European but no real Union.
Recently an Italian importer managed to order a huge amount of breathing devices from China. Then when they arrived in Hamburg the German government seized them for their own usage.
Surely we can't go on like that.

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Uh, wow. Any source for that?  :wtf: The only reference I found with Google was a report of China sending 10000 respirators and experts to Italy. The source for that, however, ... hm: https://www.suedtirolnews.it/italien/china-schickt-beatmungsmaschinen-und-experten-nach-italien

Not what I call reliable.
tinhead:
i think it was good idea to buy 500pcs "already pre-used" masks from China, they worked for them, so they already rad-hard and will work for me.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on March 17, 2020, 10:21:15 pm ---
--- Quote ---Then when they arrived in Hamburg the German government seized them for their own usage.
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Evidence please...

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that was published on several Italian newspaper.
But I know that on March the 4th the German Ministry of Economy and Energy forbid the export of any kind of Individual Protection Devices included the ones I had ordered on mid February from Conrad Electronics.

Afaik France did the same.
OK please check if you can translate this: (it looks like they have been unseized now)
https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/mondo/coronavirus-19-mln-di-mascherine-per-litalia-bloccate-da-altri-paesi_16184369-202002a.shtml and can find any reference there.
I'm interested as you to check if that is true.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: tinhead on March 17, 2020, 10:42:06 pm ---i think it was good idea to buy 500pcs "already pre-used" masks from China, they worked for them, so they already rad-hard and will work for me.

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Yeah, good idea. [Fx: turns to audience] "Think of it as evolution in action."

flyte:

--- Quote from: DrG on March 17, 2020, 09:45:40 pm ---See that vertical horizontal red line - that is the surge critical care capability [US]. See how, that line is crossed under ALL of the NPI scenarios?!  That is what I want somebody to tell me that I have read wrong. Please. If I am reading it correctly AND they are right with their analysis, we have a VERY limited window to develop effective PI, period, beginning, middle and end of headline.

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No, you didn't read it wrong. I think the US has few time left to act in a drastic manner, if the aim is to prevent what is happening to other countries who have acted as-needed. Aside from the medical cases and complications, the problem with this virus is:

* high infection rate and highly contagious
* long incubation period of up to 14 daysUnless a country is willing to take very drastic isolation measures before they appear to be needed, as perceived by the general population, the filling up of its medical infrastructure will be caught in speed by the virus, and you're heading straight for the wall. It's not policy or politics, it's math.

If you would able to really take a snapshot of the exact real number of people infected right now, then it's maybe x100 times the current reported number. It's just that these people currently present no symptoms at all and happily infect others. But they will in two weeks. And in two weeks, the actual number of infected individuals will again be a multiple higher than what is being measured then. This goes on until about 60-70% of everyone has been infected, and then it goes down.

And yes, I'm certainly no expert in the matter, but from what I read it seems the US is heading for the opposite, i.e. underestimating it and taking too few measures.
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