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Covid 19 virus
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 17, 2020, 06:37:24 pm ---I even read US people are going to buy weapons like crazy ... I do not know if they are afraid somebody comes and steal their stock of toilet paper or if the pretend to kill the virus by shooting :-DD
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My grandfather had a TON of weapons and roughly 60,000 rounds of ammo. He slept with a gun under his pillow and a shotgun under his mattress. He literally never hurt anybody and died with not only a stockpile but highly illegal weapons as well that people are afraid of, luckily guns can't shoot themselves. For some people it's just a thing they do, for others they're crazy. You never know what is going to make someone comfortable but it doesn't mean they're going to do anything wrong, they're mostly just trying to make themselves feel safe. It can backfire but I'd rather even wackos feel safe rather than paranoid.
james_s:
I think a lot of the wackos are just hoarders, you see the same thing with test equipment. Nobody really needs 10 guns just like nobody really needs 10 oscilloscopes but when something is a hobby we tend to accumulate more of whatever items we enjoy tinkering with than we really need. Also some people really are nutty, although I gotta say, after seeing the panic, hoarding and generally bizarre behavior occurring around the Covid virus the crazy guys with hideouts full of supplies and weapons in rural Idaho and such don't look quite as crazy as they did. I shudder to think what will happen when a much more deadly virus comes along, even this one is going to cause MASSIVE economic fallout. I would not be surprised if more people die due to losing their jobs and in turn losing their healthcare, food and eventually shelter than die from contracting the virus. A massive recession or depression WILL kill people.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 18, 2020, 01:59:15 pm ---Social pressure only works in groups of less than 2,000 or so people. In cities like Helsinki, where a lot of people have moved to the city as young adults, anonymity is used as a shield against social pressure. It is like backlash, after growing up in smaller circles where everybody knew you; suddenly you find yourself having the ability to sidestep all social pressure, and do what you want: it's not like they know you.
I do see a lot of young people just completely disregarding any quarantine efforts. However, I've also seen indications I haven't seen here before, youngsters occasionally offering help to older people they don't know. That could have been just a random occurrence, though.
What I do know, is that Finns will quietly (grumbling to themselves and their friends) do what they are told, as long as everyone has to do the same.
You let any subset of people off the hook, and very soon nobody will do it. That sort of fairness is at the core of being a Finn. "Is there really a need for social distancing, when our borders are kept open for humanitarian immigration?" "If humanitarian immigrants get to travel as they wish, why should I stay home?" It is this last one, that will bite Finland in the ass, I believe.
Now that we know that the virus becomes infectitious within a day or two, while the symptoms take around five days to become apparent, social distancing -- or whatever that makes people who believe they are not infected to behave as if they were, and stop spreading the virus around -- and quarantines are even more important than originally believed. When the symptoms are detectable, the person has been spreading the virus already for days. That is what we must try to limit here.
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"There has to be a way to implicate immigrants in this mess."
tautech:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2020, 06:27:04 pm ---Nobody really needs 10 guns .............
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If it's a pursuit you don't partake in you can be excused for thinking such however for those that do and partake in the many sporting disciplines 10 might not be enough.
Like screwdrivers, you need a different one for each job.
flyte:
--- Quote from: imo on March 18, 2020, 06:04:03 pm ---That number is pretty important one, I would say. The issue I see is the CFR values I've seen and heard in last 2 weeks varies from 15 to 0.1.
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We're in the wild guessing range so it seems. There is shortage of everything, including test kits. So figures are off. The WHO wants countries to test more so they get their numbers right, but what do you do when there's a limited amount of tests left in the field? They mainly reserve them for hospitalized patients or severe cases. Others with suspect symptoms are told to stay at home and call emergency when its gets really worse, period.
But before hell broke lose on this side of the globe and all was in China, I've counted mortality several times and always came in that 3-3.5% range. At that time, one could suppose there were still sufficient test kits available. So an actual total mortality rate of 1% in an uncontrolled situation makes sense. Taking into account untested individuals, the no-symptom individuals and individuals that build up immunity and slow the spreading down. I suspect the latter is going to be really limited, given the speed the infection is progressing and the total absence of immunity. Over time, yes, but not now.
Observing these numbers I found them worrying and weeks ago I spoke about them once in a while. They were usually met with some laughter and "ok, shall we get another drink now?". Now we're here.
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