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not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 18, 2020, 12:21:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: Bud on March 17, 2020, 07:16:55 pm ---The Goddamn experts can go to hell.  It were them saying 3 weeks ago that there is no need to close the  borders and they will never do it. Fuck your experts.

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Experts are ok. I mean, real medical experts. WHO has given good advice; Chinese health experts have given good advice. They have also given good advice to the governments all over the world. But the governments didn't listen, because they are freaking stupid and the fear.

Politicians, and the health authorities have totally fucked it up almost everywhere; varying from a high, or even higher degree. But 99.99% of them are not actual experts.

For many, it's very confusing. For example, here I believe people have taken the official advice quite seriously, but because the official response has been two weeks too late from the start, it doesn't help. You need to listen to the actual experts directly, bypassing the officials (who add the 2-week delay). But only a small percentage of us does this.

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To tell the truth nobody foresaw this kind of development, neither did WHO experts who at first thought that checking temperature with IR devices at the airports, like they did during SARS and MERS crisis, would have been enough.

Italian health minister was criticized because he had shut off all direct flights from China. He was a bit late, but if all the European countries had done the same and had tracked all people who had got from China during January there would be no pandemic now.

The virus got us off-guard because it didn't didn't get here from China. Italy was the first country just by chance. But apart Spain no other country has been able to learn from the unavoidable mistakes that have been made here at the beginning.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 18, 2020, 12:28:59 pm ---Although EU is closing its borders to curb the spread of the pandemic, Finland and Sweden have emphasized that humanitarian migrants can still cross our borders unhindered, because that's what is most important right now, right?

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you're right.. that's nonsense... they will get infected too
This is a serious crisis, you have to evaluate carefully the priorities and act rationally.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 18, 2020, 03:21:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on March 18, 2020, 09:55:15 am ---This university dropout with no medical qualifications whatsoever warned of the virus pandemic with incredible insight... 5 YEARS AGO!

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Anybody who's been a regular reader of New Scientist or similar level-headed board science journals/magazine could have told you that this is a "not of, but when" situation. There have been calls for better emergency preparedness for a pandemic going back to the 1980s when I started reading New Scientist.

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the problem is that we have been just too lucky with SARS and MERS, while 2009 swine flue quickly became a mild disease (and some people even pretended that all plans and vaccines were made just to benefit the pharmaceutic industry), while Chinese and Asian in general had learnt from past experiences and made some plans for future outbreak.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 18, 2020, 04:10:19 pm ---Herd immunity is where some, but not all, individuals in a population are immune to a disease in a way that effectively protects the whole population from that disease. The idea is that enough individuals have active immunity* to a specific disease that should a single individual (who is still susceptible to the disease) catch the disease it won't spread.

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While coronavirus is likely to work that way, there are other viruses who are worse and worse once you catch them again (like dengue).

Besides that you can expect the virus to mutate as other human coronaviruses do and affect people each year with usually mild flue-like symptoms. I mean those coronaviruses that have been with us for centuries have not been wiped out by herd immunity.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 18, 2020, 08:03:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 18, 2020, 04:10:19 pm ---Herd immunity is where some, but not all, individuals in a population are immune to a disease in a way that effectively protects the whole population from that disease. The idea is that enough individuals have active immunity* to a specific disease that should a single individual (who is still susceptible to the disease) catch the disease it won't spread.

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While coronavirus is likely to work that way, there are other viruses who are worse and worse once you catch them again (like dengue).

Besides that you can expect the virus to mutate as other human coronaviruses do and affect people each year with usually mild flue-like symptoms. I mean those coronaviruses that have been with us for centuries have not been wiped out by herd immunity.

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Agreed. I expect that -like the Mexican / swine flu- we'll see the Corona virus return every season. Which IMHO is why a vaccine is so important.
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