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| Electro Detective:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 19, 2020, 01:28:43 am --- --- Quote from: Bud on March 19, 2020, 12:45:53 am ---How about assholes stop visiting this thread if they have nothing to say. --- End quote --- Yes, please. --- End quote --- What's there to say when it's getting pretty obvious by now, even to the idiot hoarders :palm: what's going on :popcorn: The lack of dunny paper is what assholes want to say, they have Rights too ;D |
| SerieZ:
--- Quote from: paulca on March 19, 2020, 08:30:46 am ---Because the majority of people in the US can't afford to go to hospital for the flu. It would bankrupt them. So they don't. The "sweat it out" and pass it on hoping they can get away with it. Most of them probably have to go to work because if they take a day off they don't get paid, take 2 off and they most likely get fired. --- End quote --- I never quite understood why people believe this? While not on a Federal Level, most US States have laws that the employer must provide sick leave and even those who dont most have an arrangement with their employer anyways. It is always the people who have never lived in the US and/or hold a steady Job who make up these claims... same with healthcare. :palm: The only thing that the US does different than Switzerland, to my knowledge, is that Switzerland forces you to get healthcare (if you dont have one you cant get a job) to prevent the dummies to fall flat on their faces. And I have lived in Spain and Germany (periods longer than 2 years) to know that their "holy" Universal Healthcare system sucks compared to the Swiss and probably the US. |O |
| flyte:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2020, 11:29:11 pm ---The flue kills between 10,000 and 20,000 people every year in the USA. That's around 30-60 people every day, some of them quite young, when I was a kid one of my little brother's friends died of the flu when he was 8 or 9. Jim Henson died of the flu when he was 53. The flu is very dangerous and potentially quite lethal, we have a safe, fairly effective, readily available and inexpensive vaccine and yet we have countless people too lazy to get vaccinated and others who actively refuse to be vaccinated. Most people are not saying that Covid-19 is harmless but rather it is not drastically more dangerous than the flu and yet the reaction is about 10 orders of magnitude more severe, I've never in my life seen this kind of hype around an infectious disease, and I'd like to see a bit of it spread out to other deadly diseases and less panic overall. The economic fallout of the panic is going to be far more harmful ultimately than the disease itself. --- End quote --- It does, but there seems to be a very real difference here. Above all the infection speed and long incubation period combo, which is taking all health care services worldwide by surprise. When this will be over, notwithstanding all measures taken, mortality rate will likely be a multiple higher than flu. By now it is clear older people are very much at risk, but younger people make it rapidly to the ER departments as well, which doesn't say anything about their survival rate or their quality of recovery. Do you find it reassuring you have a high chance of survival given your age, but you may end up in the intensive care? Not something to look forward to. Especially if there is a risk all beds all full! It could be that one year from now, figures will be similar to flu figures even though I'd expect it to be multiples, eventually. But for now it is very clear the best one can classify this would be "a very aggressive flu on steroids". Just the speed aspect of it, ignoring all other unknowns for now, is a threat to public health. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: MasterTech on March 19, 2020, 08:41:33 am ---Are you sure? There is a HUGE spike in deaths in every country in december/january. Take this data from the UK for example --- End quote --- 1) You're quoting "all causes" mortality - UK health statistics are good enough that you can actually find not just Influenza deaths, but cases by diagnosed Influenza serotype. (Official Statistics: Weekly national flu reports: 2019 to 2020 season) 2) Your HUGE spike in all causes mortality is, in fact, a moderate bump - with winter peak mortality is, at 1600 a day in January versus 1200 a day in July, a mere 10% higher than the annualised average death rate and only 20% more than the minimum rate. Presumably if asked whether you wanted a 'normal' size meal or a 'HUGE' size meal you wouldn't be disappointed when your 'HUGE' meal only turned out to be a mere 10% bigger? --- Quote ---In January dayly deaths are more than 400 the normal, this is 12000 more in one month Take that for an increase in the curve. --- End quote --- Since when did the minimum become "the normal"? |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: SerieZ on March 19, 2020, 09:11:02 am --- --- Quote from: paulca on March 19, 2020, 08:30:46 am ---Because the majority of people in the US can't afford to go to hospital for the flu. It would bankrupt them. So they don't. The "sweat it out" and pass it on hoping they can get away with it. Most of them probably have to go to work because if they take a day off they don't get paid, take 2 off and they most likely get fired. --- End quote --- I never quite understood why people believe this? While not on a Federal Level, most US States have laws that the employer must provide sick leave and even those who dont most have an arrangement with their employer anyways. It is always the people who have never lived in the US and/or hold a steady Job who make up these claims... same with healthcare. :palm: The only thing that the US does different than Switzerland, to my knowledge, is that Switzerland forces you to get healthcare (if you dont have one you cant get a job) to prevent the dummies to fall flat on their faces. And I have lived in Spain and Germany (periods longer than 2 years) to know that their "holy" Universal Healthcare system sucks compared to the Swiss and probably the US. |O --- End quote --- You are confusing paid medical leave ( I was home for a week and still got paid ) with medical bills. How about bad migraine, you take an over the counter pain killer, you have weird sensation, you call ambulance, they take you to hospital, doctor looks at you for a minute, gives you one injection, and after half an hour your're ok and you go home. A week later you get bill from a hospital for 6500 USD for "services rendered". I had medical, so they sorted that out. That is how it was around 1999-2000 in USA. And medical didn't mean dental. You had to get that insurance extra, so you don't have to pay few hundred USD for a minor repair on a tooth. I don't know how Obamacare works now, but it used to be, basically, you die or pay. Or they treat you and than you go bankrupt. |
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