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migry:
Not sure if this is the correct thread.
Any idea what the situation is for JLCPCB?
I have used them 5 or so times in 2019, and was likely to have some more PCBs made this year.
I did a quick check and there is nothing about the current situation on their website.
Are they working as normal, reduced capacity, or closed down?
I guess the same question applies to other Chinese businesses. Are the closed down or ploughing on?
Stray Electron:

--- Quote from: paulca on March 19, 2020, 08:30:46 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 19, 2020, 12:03:37 am ---Yes I'm familiar with this, but why are we so lax about the flu when it kills so many thousands so predictably every year?

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Because the majority of people in the US can't afford to go to hospital for the flu. 

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   Why are you, a Briton, so concerned with the US?  FYI, uninsured sick people in the US DO go to the hospital and get treated so the same as everyone else. Even illegals get treated. Go look at the stats for the number of births in the LA and California hospitals. 70 to 80% of all of the births there are to illegal and uninsured mothers.  If someone can't pay upfront the hospitals will try to collect payment after they leave the hospital but usually unsuccessfully and after that they simply write the cost off.  Most hospitals in the US have well over 50% non-paying patients. It's one reason why our hospitals are perpetually underfunded. It's also why paying patients and insurance companies are charged ridiculous charges for even the most minor of actions, the $5 for a cotton ball for example.

   Hospital payments isn't the problem here, the problem is that the US (and no other country) simply doesn't have nearly enough beds, staff or equipment to handle the predicted number of patients.
SerieZ:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on March 19, 2020, 11:18:49 am ---
--- Quote from: SerieZ on March 19, 2020, 09:11:02 am ---
--- Quote from: paulca on March 19, 2020, 08:30:46 am ---Because the majority of people in the US can't afford to go to hospital for the flu.  It would bankrupt them.  So they don't.  The "sweat it out" and pass it on hoping they can get away with it.  Most of them probably have to go to work because if they take a day off they don't get paid, take 2 off and they most likely get fired.

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I never quite understood why people believe this?
While not on a Federal Level, most US States have laws that the employer must provide sick leave and even those who dont most have an arrangement with their employer anyways.
It is always the people who have never lived in the US and/or hold a steady Job who make up these claims... same with healthcare.  :palm:

The only thing that the US does different than Switzerland, to my knowledge, is that Switzerland forces you to get healthcare (if you dont have one you cant get a job) to prevent the dummies to fall flat on their faces. And I have lived in Spain and Germany (periods longer than 2 years) to know that their "holy" Universal Healthcare system sucks compared to the Swiss and probably the US.
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You are confusing paid medical leave ( I was home for a week and still got paid ) with medical bills.

How about bad migraine, you take an over the counter pain killer, you have weird sensation, you call ambulance, they take you to hospital, doctor looks at you for a minute, gives you one injection, and after half an hour your're ok and you go home. A week later you get bill from a hospital for 6500 USD for "services rendered".
I had medical, so they sorted that out.  That is how it was around 1999-2000 in USA. And medical didn't mean dental. You had to get that insurance extra, so you don't have to pay few hundred USD for a minor repair on a tooth.
I don't know how Obamacare works now, but it used to be, basically, you die or pay. Or they treat you and than you go bankrupt.

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In Switzerland depending on your franchise you pay up to a certain amount out of your Pocket (between 500 - 2500USD/year) and for everything uninsured (dental is an option) (by your choice) after that the Private Insurance covers it. There is no state involved there except that it forces you to get one if you want to be employed.
I know for a fact most americans have an Insurance as well and it is a similar Situation for them. The Problem is with those who cant afford it or are too Ignorant to get an Insurance there with, IMHO the latter being the bigger Problem thus maybe creating the need to make it mandatory like here.

Our Hospitals offer better Service than anything I have ever seen outside Switzerland and I am pretty sure US Healthcare is the best money can buy
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The fact that most medicine gets developed there speaks for itself.

And this is something the entire world benefits from and unfortunately until we are not is some Star Trek like post scarcity world it has to be payed for by someone.

People painting the US or Swiss Healthcare system as some kind of Hellscape ignore this in such an incredibly dishonest manner to, my guess, further their own Political views, and not have a constructive discussion about it the same way certain people just cant talk about this pandemic without trying to further their own political goals and playing the blame game.
Yes, some people get left behind but is the alternative really better overall? Definetly not for the ones working in the sector and especially not for Innovation.

To wrap things up... until I see a better, more productive alternative I rather get ill here than to wait for months on treatment or sitting in an overcrowded hospital with poorly payed and overworked personal.
DrG:
JAMA Interview with T. Fauci from yesterday

https://youtu.be/EXY76TKNy2Y

From the description:
Topics discussed in this interview:

Have you ever seen anything like this? (0:22)

Can we channel the current level of panic in the US to help mitigate this crisis? How can younger individuals contribute during this public health crisis. (2:30)

Sensitivity of testing. Is there any new data? (6:24)

NSAIDs (non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs)  - should they be avoided? (8:37)

ACE and ARBs (10:25)

Any new information on children? (14:13)

Respiratory spread versus droplets. Are there concerns about the viability of the virus on surfaces and packages? (15:11)

Hydroxychloroquine (17:43)

Recommendations for health care workers (18:48)

For the health care work that tests positive, when are they able to return to work? (21:08)

Any emerging data about Antivirals (22:22)

What should the next 2-3 weeks tell us? (24:11)

Health equity - will supplies be equally distributed? (27:00)

Is there anything more that local, state, and federal governments must do? (28:27)

Coronavirus Resource page from the JAMA Network: https://ja.ma/covidyt
Stray Electron:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 19, 2020, 12:15:06 pm ---Going by historical reports, this isn't as bad as Spanish flu, which was far more deadly. I imagine if this happened 30 or so years ago, there would be loads of old people saying they've seen worse and it's bonkers. One of the reasons the Spanish flu had a greater impact might have been the population was in generally worse health, as it came after the war, so we can't compare it to that.

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    That's not true, you can compare that but you need to allow for the local conditions in each area and account for them separately.  The US and Canada for example had no fighting on their own soil so the civilian populations were largely unaffected by the war so it's easy to see the statistics there for healthy people vs unhealthy people (civilians) that were trapped in a war zone (such as in Belgium).  There were also a number of neutral countries that had healthy populations.  One of the big factors in the death rates was the density of people in some areas due to the war. In the US some of the hardest hit areas were the army training camps in Kansas, yet they had unquestionably the best fed and healthiest men in the entire country.  The densely packed front lines and military bases in Europe were also hit hard, as were all of the large cities world wide. Again you can look at the rates for rural Texas and for the large densely packed army bases that were in Kansas and you can clearly see the differences.
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