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| edavid:
--- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on March 19, 2020, 05:45:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 05:28:08 pm ---Here in Helsinki, Finland, there is a suprising number of people who simply ignore any recommendations for social isolation. (I mean, they go out with friends to have fun, and thus endanger those who have to interact with others to keep the society going.) It seems stupidity will prevail even over a pandemic. --- End quote --- The same thing is happening here, especially with the young generations. There are photos in the news of big crowds of college kids frolicking on beaches in Florida like they do every year. I've heard that they think even if they do get the virus, it won't be so bad because they're young and healthy. What they selfishly don't seem to realize is that if they do contract the virus they'll be carriers and infect others, including those who aren't young and healthy. --- End quote --- That's over: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-comes-spring-break-locals-close-florida-beaches-after-governor-n1163741 |
| Mr. Scram:
I just went shopping and here it looks like the hoarding craze is dying down. Some shelves still were emptier than usual but everything looked a lot more normal. I asked staff and they confirmed things were a lot less hectic than they have been. It seems supply is picking up and demand is dying down. |
| vodka:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 05:28:08 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on March 19, 2020, 03:05:41 pm ---Countries in East Asia are getting used to waves of infection, and they've learned what works and what doesn't. They've had SARS, and bird flu, and swine flu, and MERS and they are getting used to epidemic management. Finding the infected quickly, and isolating them is a big win (i.e. test as soon as someone realises they might have an issue, SK style). --- End quote --- As a westerner, my own appreciation of Chinese efforts is about exactly that. I've not talked about anything else, only considered the (forced) isolation efforts. It is increasingly looking like those efforts are what is needed to minimize both human lives lost, but also the financial impact, of this pandemic. (In particular, I have not considered what happened in Nov/Dec 2019, with early whistleblowers, et cetera.) Here in Helsinki, Finland, there is a suprising number of people who simply ignore any recommendations for social isolation. (I mean, they go out with friends to have fun, and thus endanger those who have to interact with others to keep the society going.) It seems stupidity will prevail even over a pandemic. The Finnish numbers are a complete lie, by the way: only some "special" patients get to be tested. They say this is because of lack of resources for testing, but considering there are Finnish companies exporting millions of these tests, and while the testing stations need trained people to run the tests, we have had weeks to crash-course a few dozen specialists to help with that.. we just have chosen not to, because our leaders have more important things on their mind than a pandemic. >:( --- End quote --- You have declared Emergency Powers Act superlight compared with ours,what it seem a light martial law. Because ,we are totally banned to stay in the street without any reason. Only we are allowed to go to buy or work, and another exceptions duly justified. haven't you fines and charges? Because our fines are 200€-600,000€ and 1 or 2 years of jail. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on March 19, 2020, 05:45:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 05:28:08 pm ---Here in Helsinki, Finland, there is a suprising number of people who simply ignore any recommendations for social isolation. (I mean, they go out with friends to have fun, and thus endanger those who have to interact with others to keep the society going.) It seems stupidity will prevail even over a pandemic. --- End quote --- The same thing is happening here, especially with the young generations. There are photos in the news of big crowds of college kids frolicking on beaches in Florida like they do every year. I've heard that they think even if they do get the virus, it won't be so bad because they're young and healthy. What they selfishly don't seem to realize is that if they do contract the virus they'll be carriers and infect others, including those who aren't young and healthy. --- End quote --- College used to be for the smart or wealthy. Now they'll lend a fortune to any idiot and they're suddenly a student. ;) The attitude you describe is exactly like the parents of unvaccinated kids who get angry when schools won't accept them. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: vodka on March 19, 2020, 06:11:33 pm ---Haven't you fines and charges? Because our fines are 200€-600,000€ and 1 or 2 years of jail. --- End quote --- Nope. We even have lots of elder folks, who are saying that they refuse to stay indoors; if they get the virus, then they get the virus. They trust the Finnish health system to take care of them, they say. Other people think that because they themselves are unlikely to die from the virus, they can ignore the situation. It just does not matter to some people that they will be spreading the virus. Perhaps some of them don't realize it, but definitely some just do not care. This is why I liked the "heavy-handed" approach: it stops the stupid from peeing into the pool, so to speak. As I asked above, I'm wondering about the statistics on the duration from infection to death. It seems to me that this is a critical factor in the health system overload, but I haven't seen actual numbers yet. If anybody knows or has seen 'em, please let me know. |
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