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rgarito:

--- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on March 19, 2020, 05:45:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 05:28:08 pm ---Here in Helsinki, Finland, there is a suprising number of people who simply ignore any recommendations for social isolation. (I mean, they go out with friends to have fun, and thus endanger those who have to interact with others to keep the society going.) It seems stupidity will prevail even over a pandemic.
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The same thing is happening here, especially with the young generations. There are photos in the news of big crowds of college kids frolicking on beaches in Florida like they do every year. I've heard that they think even if they do get the virus, it won't be so bad because they're young and healthy. What they selfishly don't seem to realize is that if they do contract the virus they'll be carriers and infect others, including those who aren't young and healthy.

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I South Florida, the most popular Spring Break beaches were closed on Sunday.  So what did the damn kids do?  They all moved over to the west (Gulf) coast of Florida and moved the party there....  (it's about a 90 mile drive away)  SMH.  These damn kids just refuse to "get it."  Not sure if they finally decided to close those beaches, too.
edavid:

--- Quote from: rgarito on March 19, 2020, 06:43:14 pm ---That reinforces a statement I made the other day....  If the economy keeps crashing like this, we (literally) will start to see a regression back to a barter-related economy...  (in Russia, my ex-wife tells me that already is common in the more rural areas, long before this zombie apocalypse even started)

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That makes no sense to me.  You see barter when the central banks aren't trusted, or when there's high inflation.  There's no sign of either of those happening.

Around here people don't even want to make cash transactions, let alone bartering.  Too much personal contact.
james_s:

--- Quote from: rgarito on March 19, 2020, 06:45:47 pm ---I South Florida, the most popular Spring Break beaches were closed on Sunday.  So what did the damn kids do?  They all moved over to the west (Gulf) coast of Florida and moved the party there....  (it's about a 90 mile drive away)  SMH.  These damn kids just refuse to "get it."  Not sure if they finally decided to close those beaches, too.

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What else would you expect kids to do? Were you never an invincible teenager yourself? I don't think it's reasonable to expect kids to "get it", and most of them are probably right in that the vast majority won't get very ill and of those who get ill very few will die. The part they are not considering is the risk of spreading it to others who are more vulnerable but it's probably best to stay away from the kids rather than expect them to greatly alter their behavior.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: nctnico on March 19, 2020, 06:23:48 pm ---The same over here but what does testing lots of people actually accomplish right now? Nothing because in the end you can't catch all cases if you are not going to test everyone in a country. The point where mass-testing serves a purpose (containment) is far behind us.
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Nope.  In Finland, Helsinki region is worst hit; basically everywhere else is fine.

The problem in Helsinki is that due to a number of reasons, the social pressure is weakest here, and people are not following the social isolation recommendations.

If we did test, we would have the numbers to show the stupid ones that they too have to isolate.  Over half of the Finnish cases are in the Greater Helsinki region (Helsinki-Vantaa-Espoo), with about 1.2 million people.

Instead, our "official" figures are something like 400, whereas looking at the curve, you can trivially extrapolate the correct number to be around 800 -- on the order of Canada; Finland and Canada tracked very closely till Mar 14, when testing was essentially stopped in Helsinki region in Finland.

The numbers would help officials and people realize the importance of social distancing.  Alternatively, the officials could just fake the numbers to achieve the same.  As it stands, everyone is going based on their "gut feeling" instead, and too many here feel that it Is Somebody Elses Problem for now.

Do remember, that from infection, a person will start spreading the virus within 6 hours to a day and a half, whereas it takes about five days on average for the symptoms.  So, a lot of people who believe, erroneously, that they are healthy, are spreading the virus.  It is those that we need to stop and isolate.  The ones who are already ill, well, people naturally tend to avoid those; it's the healthy-looking virus spreaders that are doing the damage right now.
Testing, even random testing to find out the actual number of infected, would help make that visible, and help enforce harder isolation rules and penalties, as the true extent of the problem would be undeniable.
james_s:

--- Quote from: edavid on March 19, 2020, 06:49:30 pm ---That makes no sense to me.  You see barter when the central banks aren't trusted, or when there's high inflation.  There's no sign of either of those happening.

Around here people don't even want to make cash transactions, let alone bartering.  Too much personal contact.

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I read yesterday that there is a problem now with people pulling their money out of banks but I don't know how widespread it is. Don't underestimate the levels of irrational behavior that can be caused by panic, it spreads like a virus itself and leads to all kinds of crazy things and self-fulfilling prophecies. It's a basic human trait, I mean people get killed in stampedes to get cheap discounted junk in stores on black friday sales. Nobody is going to say it's rational to stampede and kill someone over a waffle maker but it happens.
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