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mzzj:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 07:00:07 pm ---
It is a completely different thing for even a respected doctor to say that although Finland is supposed to only have 400 cases, the true number is likely an order of magnitude higher, and actually having those bigger numbers from testing, when the problem is that most people don't think the situation is serious enough for them to behave any different.

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I think anyone following news around here has seen the THL (Local "CDC") estimates that the number of real cases is 20-30 times higher than tested.
Latest info was that they run about 1000 tests per 5 million people daily  but its mostly for healthcare workers.
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Wimberleytech on March 19, 2020, 07:24:06 pm ---Granted.  But my point was directed to what is going on in the US in both media and politics.  Politicians are penalized more for under-reacting, so naturally, they will martial forces for the worst-case scenario.  Media reports, people panic, more over-reaction, etc (zero phase margin!).  To the extent that the US has a tincture of impact on the rest of the world, others are effected.

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This tendency to polarize and move towards the extremes while eliminating the middle ground has long been an issue in politics. Unfortunately US politics seem to suffer considerably from this. Pandering to people's fear is much easier than nuance and the risk of getting it wrong sooner or later is one most politicians are unwilling to take even if it's better for society. Alarmist rationales are rarely punished because it makes you look like you both care and act. The video below gives some interesting insights into the process of polarization.

https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 18, 2020, 09:08:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 18, 2020, 08:22:16 pm ---absolutely wrong
even lots of young and fit people would die without intensive care and expensive machinery to help them breath (and some is diying notwithstanding that)
those kind of people are not usually affected by the flue

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Do you have a source for that? So far the overwhelming majority of deaths seem to concern to already sick or fragile people. Young and fit people seem to not get sick or suffer from flu like symptoms.

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patient one in Codogno, Northern Italy, was 38 healthy and fit (he was a runner and an amateur football player)
he had to stay in ICU for a couple of weeks

many other stories like that here (yesterday a 29 years old athlete) with more than 40 thousand positive cases
lots of not so old medical staff are dying too
please stop spreading misinformation as that will encourage people to spread the disease too

for instance refer to this https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-typically-mild-kids.html:

--- Quote ---Researchers analyzed the cases of 731 children in China with laboratory test-confirmed cases of the coronavirus and 1,412 children who were suspected of having COVID-19.

Most of those 2,143 cases were mild, and only one child died. Close to 6% of the children's cases were severe or critical, compared with 18.5% of cases in adults.
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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 19, 2020, 06:53:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 19, 2020, 06:29:43 pm ---Instead of confining EVERYONE, we could just confine people that are either NOT tested yet or tested positive. People tested negative with a valid proof could be waived of confinement. Pretty simple.
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Or better yet, test people like cashiers and postmen and delivery people, so that those who need to interact with others would not be spreading the virus.

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Which is included in what I just said. I agree this should be priority of course, but then that could be extended to as many people as possible.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 18, 2020, 09:21:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 18, 2020, 09:13:43 pm ---Even if the young and healthy won't die, it still means that many of them will need intensive care in order not to.

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Do they? I'm not really seeing that right now.

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you can't see what is clearly there if you refuse to see it
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