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Covid 19 virus
Simon:
I have 40 and 50 somethings at work not taking it seriously. On our shop floor people are mingling as usual even though no one needs to be within 2 meters of each other during normal work. Group visits to the toilets like a bunch of girls. Management are hopeless and too slow to react - after taking their heads out of the sand.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 19, 2020, 07:39:10 pm ---patient one in Codogno, Northern Italy, was 38 healthy and fit (he was a runner and an amateur football player)
he had to stay in ICU for a couple of weeks
many other stories like that here (yesterday a 29 years old athlete) with more than 40 thousand positive cases
lots of not so old medical staff are dying too
please stop spreading misinformation as that will encourage people to spread the disease too
for instance refer to this https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-typically-mild-kids.html:
--- Quote ---Researchers analyzed the cases of 731 children in China with laboratory test-confirmed cases of the coronavirus and 1,412 children who were suspected of having COVID-19.
Most of those 2,143 cases were mild, and only one child died. Close to 6% of the children's cases were severe or critical, compared with 18.5% of cases in adults.
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You're severely misrepresenting my statements. I responded to a statement that a large proportion of young people need serious treatment. They don't, with some exceptions also discussed. People older than 60-70 years old represent the overwhelming majority of serious case requiring treatment. This in no way encourages behaviour which spreads the virus. One must be an unprecedented idiot to think you don't need to take precautions if you are unlikely to get seriously ill. This simply doesn't follow from the facts we established. Carelessness kills people even if it's not you. We all play a role in preventing spread.
not1xor1:
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--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 18, 2020, 07:38:19 pm ---The virus got us off-guard because it didn't didn't get here from China. Italy was the first country just by chance. But apart Spain no other country has been able to learn ....
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You are wrong. Spain haven't yet learnt any. Spain is giving of stick of blind.
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Spanish situation is not so deeply covered by the newspapers here, so I may have got a wrong feeling of the real situation (although I found quite hard to grasp the meaning of what you wrote)
the main problems here are:
- supply of essential protection devices is lacking (here and all over the world)
- too many idiots have not realized yet the real danger of the situation and do not abide by the quarantine rules so the infection rate is not decreasing as fast as it could
stay at home as much as you can, get out as little as you can
if you get out: stay as far as possible from other people, protect your mouth and nose, don't touch your eyes and wash accurately your hands and face as soon as you get back at home
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Wimberleytech on March 19, 2020, 07:09:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 19, 2020, 06:52:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: edavid on March 19, 2020, 06:49:30 pm ---That makes no sense to me. You see barter when the central banks aren't trusted, or when there's high inflation. There's no sign of either of those happening.
Around here people don't even want to make cash transactions, let alone bartering. Too much personal contact.
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I read yesterday that there is a problem now with people pulling their money out of banks but I don't know how widespread it is. Don't underestimate the levels of irrational behavior that can be caused by panic, it spreads like a virus itself and leads to all kinds of crazy things and self-fulfilling prophecies. It's a basic human trait, I mean people get killed in stampedes to get cheap discounted junk in stores on black friday sales. Nobody is going to say it's rational to stampede and kill someone over a waffle maker but it happens.
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I live in a small rural town in Texas (near a high-tech metropolis). People are acting reasonably sane. Yeah, some items at the store are cleaned out, but when you go to an establishment you do not sense any panic.
I am still trying to get my head around this meltdown. Was an unbeliever at first. Trying to come around to believing this is as big of a threat as advertised, but it is hard...just looking at the numbers. The spreading factor of covid19 appears to be pretty much in line with the flu. The mortality appears to tilt heavily to the older population (like me!!) but even then it seems to be those with underlying conditions. Mortality rate...we need more data.
I have looked at the data for the Princess Cruise ship. Only 1% of the infected died. Not everybody on the ship got infected. That is certainly more than the common flu would have caused but it is not crazy big.
It is an election year here in the US. I suspect that fact causes some unnatural behavior.
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It doesn't have to be crazily worse than the flu.
I believe the death rate is a bit higher than flu and it's slightly more contagious. The spread of viruses typically follows a logistic function and most places are still in the exponential growth phase of the virus, so slightly reducing transmission rates will drastically reduce the peak, hopefully to a point where the health system can cope. The problem is we don't know enough yet. In the long term, the only way to reduce the number of people who are going to get this is to develop a vaccine.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 19, 2020, 07:42:21 pm ---you can't see what is clearly there if you refuse to see it
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The only thing I clearly see is the distinct lack of sources. It's remarkable how alarmist tendencies seem inversely proportional to the amount of sources posted.
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