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not1xor1:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2020, 11:03:08 pm ---[...]
I would like people to do that with the common flu as well, which Covid is still not even close to catching up to in terms of deaths as of now. It may indeed become far worse but that doesn't change the fact that the flu has already killed 12,000 in the USA and yet we have idiots who refuse to get the cheap and readily available vaccination for that.

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you are just at the beginning
flue doesn't kill people by the thousands a day as COVID-19 might soon do here and/or would have surely done without any containment measure

flue doesn't kill healthy and 40-50 years old medical staff
you have no idea what you are going to deal with

Wimberleytech:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 19, 2020, 07:38:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: Wimberleytech on March 19, 2020, 07:24:06 pm ---Granted.  But my point was directed to what is going on in the US in both media and politics.  Politicians are penalized more for under-reacting, so naturally, they will martial forces for the worst-case scenario.  Media reports, people panic, more over-reaction, etc (zero phase margin!).  To the extent that the US has a tincture of impact on the rest of the world, others are effected.

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This tendency to polarize and move towards the extremes while eliminating the middle ground has long been an issue in politics. Unfortunately US politics seem to suffer considerably from this. Pandering to people's fear is much easier than nuance and the risk of getting it wrong sooner or later is one most politicians are unwilling to take even if it's better for society. Alarmist rationales are rarely punished because it makes you look like you both care and act. The video below gives some interesting insights into the process of polarization.

https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc

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Yup!

Zero999:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 19, 2020, 08:02:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2020, 11:03:08 pm ---[...]
I would like people to do that with the common flu as well, which Covid is still not even close to catching up to in terms of deaths as of now. It may indeed become far worse but that doesn't change the fact that the flu has already killed 12,000 in the USA and yet we have idiots who refuse to get the cheap and readily available vaccination for that.

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you are just at the beginning
flue doesn't kill people by the thousands a day as COVID-19 might soon do here and/or would have surely done without any containment measure

flue doesn't kill healthy and 40-50 years old medical staff
you have no idea what you are going to deal with

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Yes and here's a good YouTube video about the mathematics of covid's growth, which I'm sure most people here will be familiar with but seem to need reminding of.

not1xor1:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2020, 11:29:11 pm ---Most people are not saying that Covid-19 is harmless but rather it is not drastically more dangerous than the flu and yet the reaction is about 10 orders of magnitude more severe, I've never in my life seen this kind of hype around an infectious disease, and I'd like to see a bit of it spread out to other deadly diseases and less panic overall. The economic fallout of the panic is going to be far more harmful ultimately than the disease itself.

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as I wrote many times, people have acquired immunity against flue, while COVID-19 is unknown to the immune system, besides that COVID-19 attaches to ACE2 receptors, affects blood pressure regulation and unlike flue may seriously damage your lungs (flue viruses generally do that indirectly by favoring other pathogens)

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 19, 2020, 08:02:38 pm ---you are just at the beginning
flue doesn't kill people by the thousands a day as COVID-19 might soon do here and/or would have surely done without any containment measure

flue doesn't kill healthy and 40-50 years old medical staff
you have no idea what you are going to deal with

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Medical staff gets inoculated for flu every year with near compete coverage for those in contact with patients. From the CDC: "By occupation, flu vaccination coverage was highest among physicians (96.7%), nurses (98.1%), pharmacists (91.5%), and nurse practitioners and physician assistants (91.0%)".

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