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rgarito:

--- Quote from: TerminalJack505 on March 20, 2020, 12:41:06 am ---
This, along with earlier reports that a person doesn't show symptoms for up to 5 days, shows, in my opinion, that people should be wearing face masks when they are out in public--to protect others!

Of course, the "experts" are saying face masks are useless but what they are likely really saying (if they are truly an expert in the matter) is that they don't want health care professionals to run out of supplies.  I fully expect for them to change their tune once the supply chain isn't so strained.

--- End quote ---

Exactly.  The REAL problem with face masks in the USA is that there is a shortage of them.  At this point you can find a gold bar on the street easier than you can get a face mask at a local drug store.  The CDC apparently just told doctors to even use bandanna's if necessary.   :o

New York City's mayor is now saying the city will run out of "medical supplies" within 2-3 weeks at the current rates.

Muttley Snickers:
I don't know if this video has been posted already but it gives a good indication of how the spread of a virus can be minimised and in turn the death toll.

DrG:

--- Quote from: rgarito on March 20, 2020, 01:32:20 am ---
--- Quote from: TerminalJack505 on March 20, 2020, 12:41:06 am ---
This, along with earlier reports that a person doesn't show symptoms for up to 5 days, shows, in my opinion, that people should be wearing face masks when they are out in public--to protect others!

Of course, the "experts" are saying face masks are useless but what they are likely really saying (if they are truly an expert in the matter) is that they don't want health care professionals to run out of supplies.  I fully expect for them to change their tune once the supply chain isn't so strained.

--- End quote ---

Exactly.  The REAL problem with face masks in the USA is that there is a shortage of them.  At this point you can find a gold bar on the street easier than you can get a face mask at a local drug store.  The CDC apparently just told doctors to even use bandanna's if necessary.   :o

New York City's mayor is now saying the city will run out of "medical supplies" within 2-3 weeks at the current rates.

--- End quote ---

So, let's see if we can get some agreement.

If you are sneezing and coughing, you should wear a face mask, but you shouldn't be out in public if you're sneezing and coughing. So, except for the case where you are on the way to a medical treatment facility or sitting in a waiting room, or otherwise being around other people where you have no real choice in the matter. - ok

If you are carrying and asymptomatic, you could be spreading, so wear a face mask. Since there is no way of knowing whether you are incubating, Everybody who feels fine should wear a mask. - OK

But if everyone else is NOT wearing a face mask (and of course that is the case), then you end up with a viral rag on your face as soon as an incubator lets loose on you. Consequently, you end up breathing in the virus because the globules are sitting on your crappy face mask. So, a healthy persons becomes a sick person because they wore a face mask.

On top of all this, we don't have enough face masks to go around, so we are depriving people who need them more than us. Because we don't have enough testing, we have no way of knowing if someone is an incubator. In fact, it is still unclear how easy it is to get tested even if you are symptomatic.

How about we talk more about wearing a face shield.

Now, if an incubator sneezes in her direction, her nose, eyes and mouth are protected. Is that plastic going to actually work? Yeah, pretty well https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467190 at least for 8.5 μm aerosols but less so for 3.4 μm and as the large particles settle and the smaller particles are dispersing, their effectiveness goes down because the little devils are working their way around. Although, just keeping your distance (72") helps a lot and it goes back up.

Short of a real respirator, I would choose a face shield over a face mask. At least that is my thinking right now.

edit: plus you can put little cool stickers on it like little bumper stickers.
      :removed link to picture of face shield

BravoV:
Noticed nice detail ... a small gesture of valuable gratitude .. a special printed boarding pass ...  :-+ :clap:

Red Squirrel:
Welp.  A case confirmed in my city now. 

https://www.timminspress.com/news/local-news/first-case-of-covid-19-in-timmins-confirmed-phu

From my understanding this virus likes the cold more than the heat, so it could possibly spread much faster here.  Not good.

I've been pretty much avoiding going out, except for work.  They are suppose to set us up to work from home but it's taking forever.   

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