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| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: mzzj on March 20, 2020, 06:02:23 pm ---I have had corona-like symptoms(itchy throat, slight fever, chest pain and slight difficult in breathing) since last sunday and 2 of my close acquaintances have very similar symptoms but testing wouldn't make me feel any better. --- End quote --- The purpose is not to make you feel any better, the purpose is to quarantine you if it's the corona, so that you won't possibly infect 1000 people more. Case study: South Korea. Look it up. They have practically won already, and they did it with extensive testing, including drive-in free test stations. --- Quote ---there is no point to try to slow it down too much --- End quote --- Slowing down have worked great in China and South Korea, and the idea is that you don't need to choose who dies and who lives, and don't need the military to dump bodies in masses in makeshift creamatories, which is now the reality in Italy. Again, look it up. It's possible there's second wave in China and South Korea, in which case, the inconvinience comes back again. It's still easier. You realize that if we decide not to have the inconvinience, this means approximately 200 000 dead bodies in Finland within a few weeks, and assuming you are a healthy male, you will likely be one of those called in for military service to dispose the bodies. THIS is what no one wants, THIS is why the actions are taking place. With the actions currently in place, it won't be that bad, but it will be still bad. With heavier actions, like China or South Korea, it would be much better. So believe or not, yes, it really is mandatory to slow it down, in fact it seems no country has decided not to take any action whatsoever. Luckily you don't decide. Luckily Sale decided. I hope you and your friends are self-quarantining already. Testing would help set you free if it's negative. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: not1xor1 on March 20, 2020, 06:39:49 pm ---LOL this looks like a case study of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection ;D --- End quote --- It does. I'm glad you're finally coming to terms with your limitations. |
| iMo:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 20, 2020, 05:02:38 pm --- --- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 20, 2020, 04:54:36 pm ---Deciding not to test isn't necessarily, fundamentally a bad idea; it's, however, the polar opposite of the WHO and expert advice, so to take such a fundamentally different approach than the others, is a human experiment. --- End quote --- Indeed. I find this rather blunt to defend the opposite view now that the WHO has made the point clearly. As I already said multiple times, the real point IMO in many countries is that we just don't have the capacity to do more testing. So we just can't comply, and find reasons not to (so the populations don't panic and get back at their governments, which admittedly would just make things worse at the very moment.) Just MHO. --- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 20, 2020, 04:54:36 pm ---So as long as people do continue to socialize, maybe just limiting it "by a little bit" as instructed by the officials and the media here (there are many conflicting instructions; people pick which suits them best, which is the "reducing socializing a little bit is enough" advice), the best way to work around this is to test, test, and again, test. When someone tests positive, then they most likely take the quarantine seriously, and it's easier to enforce for those very few who still won't. --- End quote --- Agreed. Besides relentlessly working on a future vaccine, we should definitely work very hard on devising quick and cheap tests. --- End quote --- We had here a short discussion on how to proceed with testing (~2w back) and they decided to test "suspects" (the people returning from areas of high risk of exposure in our case, or people with covid-like symptoms) only, and when positive to track all their contacts down. Then they test all the persons in the contact's tree. PCR testing in ref centers. There are people who want to be tested even they are not the suspects, and they can purchase a private testing (kits). Yesterday our government requested private providers of the testing to stop that exercise as we may need the kits when the situation worsens (as the testing kits are not readily available). Our experts were against a "flat testing" as you may get a lot of false negative results, they said. The "suspects" were exposed to the infection for much longer time, or contracted the virus a few days back, or, they show some symptoms already, thus the probability of getting the right result with the first test is high. Btw, I watched Mr. Trump's briefing today with interest and the "testing" vs. "immediate actions" had been a pretty topic. Dr. Fauci had to explain the "testing" vs. "immediate actions" may not be related. People usually tend to expect they ALL have to be tested first, and based on that all the negative persons may follow their businesses as usual. The positive people will be quarantined and that's it. That could be a challenging exercise, indeed. Mr Trump has also invoked Defense Production Act to make important purchases for coping with virus. He is looking for a local manufacturer of ventilators and masks.. Where are they? |
| not1xor1:
--- Quote ---19:37 - WHO: collapsed hospitals, it is not bad influence «There are health systems collapsing. This is not normal, ”said Michael Ryan, WHO's executive director of the emergency health program in the usual daily briefing. “Look at intensive care in some parts of the world, completely overwhelmed. Look to the exhausted doctors and nurses. This is not normal. This is not a simple particularly negative flu season. " --- End quote --- source: https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&tab=wT&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fcronache%2F20_marzo_20%2Fcoronavirus-ultime-notizie-dall-italia-mondo-39828fbc-6a74-11ea-b40a-2e7c2eee59c6.shtml according to Mr. Scram (and mr Trump) this is just like flu thousands of experts saying otherwise, tenths of studies published recently... it doesn't matter... of course those are just opinions you can't compare those to Mr Scram facts :-DD |
| Sal Ammoniac:
--- Quote from: paulca on March 20, 2020, 01:48:43 pm ---If it turns out we over reacted, things will bounce back again. --- End quote --- Oh sure, just like things bounced back after WWII. When did rationing end in the UK? Sometime in the 1950s? |
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